Mars Attacks Podcast 230 – Motley Crue Discussion

Motley Crue Discussion Mars Attacks Podcast


This week’s episode of the Mars Attacks Podcast features my Patrons discussing Motley Crue. A few months back we did the Iron Maiden discussion, and afterwards we took a vote to see who we would talk about next. Motley Crue was the band that was selected.

These band discussions will take place every few months. If you want to join in, all you have to do is become a Patron. Go here to find out more.

The Patrons that join me are Rob Rowe, of The Rock And Rowe Podcast. Brad Dahl of Yarg Metal. Jeremy Weltman, who provides us with his Patron’s Picks. The O.G. Steve Hoeker, and the metal dentist Gabriel Ruiz.

This episode of the Mars Attacks Podcast is the audio version of the July 23rd, 2021 episode of the Signals From Mars live stream.

Join us live every Friday at 6 PM EST / 3 PM PST / 11 PM UK / Midnight Saturday CET


Victor Ruiz 1:06
All right, welcome everyone to the

July 23 edition of the signals from RS live stream brought to you by the martex podcast and VMR it web design. I am your host, Victor as usual and this week. We have our patrons involved in our Motley Crue discussion. I threw up a bunch of different names of bands to talk about. And Motley Crue was the one that people voted for. So we’re spread out over around the world over a bunch of different time zones. It is 12 midnight For me it is 11pm. For Jeremy it is let’s see for Steven Gabriel. It is 6pm Rob row it is 5pm and

of okay five year and then Brad Dahl it is 4pm for you. So awesome. We have

in we have our constituents from the west coast and from Japan coming in later there. There’s at currently at a UN Conference trying to solve world events. But what we’ll do I mean, they want to chime in on Motley Crue. But you know, won’t won’t happen at the moment. Anyway. Thank all you guys for being involved tonight. Thank all you guys for being patrons first and foremost, then, for those that are joining us, this is something that I intend on doing for you know, every so many months out of the year as a thank you to the patrons and it’s always fun just to talk about

you know, different bands and their discographies and what turned us on to them and, and so on and so forth. So last time we did Iron Maiden this time around it is once again Motley Crue is voted by you guys, and

what we’re going to do, like we did the last time, we’re just going to go around and talk a little bit about the cruise. So we’re gonna kick things off here with the with the yo g the first one to come on board on Patreon. One of the last guys to show up tonight, Mr. Steve Hoelker

Steve Hoelker 3:36
You’re leading off with me.

Victor Ruiz 3:37
I’m leading off with you, sir.

Steve Hoelker 3:40
All right, my condolences.

Victor Ruiz 3:44
But so similar to what we did with Iron Maiden.

Give us your memory as to one the first time that you heard Iron Maiden or I made Yeah, Motley Crue.

And you know from there, we’re gonna go on to what’s your favorite album? By Motley Crue give us your three songs.

Steve Hoelker 4:07

Victor Ruiz 4:08
And sell that album for the rest of us.

Steve Hoelker 4:10
Alright. Um, I want to say the first time I heard them was either MTV or my brother.

My brother, MTV is gonna be the general theme of

when I got into stuff.

Victor Ruiz 4:26
Oh, my connection bottomed out here. Now you guys hear me?

Steve Hoelker 4:31
I can hear you.

Victor Ruiz 4:32
Okay, cuz I’m frozen. Everyone’s image is frozen on my end.

Okay, so as long as it’s going out and it’s being recorded, we’re good. I’m sorry, Steve. Go ahead.

Steve Hoelker 4:44
That’s okay. I would say MTV or my brothers when I first heard of them.

Victor Ruiz 4:49

Steve Hoelker 4:50

so that was a Shout at the Devil.

Victor Ruiz 4:54

Steve Hoelker 4:58
And I was hooked. I mean, I thought they were


You know, I had too young to fall in love videos just so awesome.

Victor Ruiz 5:06

Steve Hoelker 5:07
And oh and

but as far as favorite album, it’s either Shout at the Devil or Too Fast For Love.

Victor Ruiz 5:16

Steve Hoelker 5:17
For me, so lean a little bit more towards Too Faster For Love.

Victor Ruiz 5:23
Okay and what would be your three favorite songs off of that?

Steve Hoelker 5:27
My three favorites definitely merry go round, which I know is a weird one.

starry eyes.

And then


I love the whole album, but I go with Piece Of Your Action.

Victor Ruiz 5:43

Have you ever gotten to see them live before?

Steve Hoelker 5:49
Yes, it wasn’t until much later.

I want to say

wasn’t a reunion tour because they hadn’t really gone away. But it wasn’t until much later. So I’ve seen I’ve seen vents at like, many stages of

good, good to bad. Okay, and I’ve seen him where it sounds pretty damn good. And then other times it’s more like karaoke where we sing the songs.

You know more than he can.

But, uh, just awesome live vocals aside, just just an awesome show to watch. And

you know,

Victor Ruiz 6:34
it takes years to perfect that gasp of air though. I mean, you just have to appreciate the finer things in life, you know,

Steve Hoelker 6:42

Rob Rowe 6:43
Or the occasional he haw.

Steve Hoelker 6:46
True. I did have something that I had mentioned to you, but I got something that I want to show everybody.

Victor Ruiz 6:53

Steve Hoelker 6:55
So, let’s see if I can get it in frame.

Victor Ruiz 7:00
Okay, so

Steve Hoelker 7:01
Is that coming through?

Victor Ruiz 7:03
Yeah, yeah, I that’s one of the things that I moved that I sold. When I moved overseas. I had that. I had the Metallica …And Justice For All McFarlane I had

two different kiss box sets like that, that were only available at Spencer’s as well, and I needed cash when I moved overseas, and I had to sell all that stuff. So

Steve Hoelker 7:28
It’s a lot easier than moving that too

Well, yeah, that’s my, my metal story of that is

my wife and I were at a convention.

Victor Ruiz 7:39

Steve Hoelker 7:40
And I saw it, but it was I want to say it was $100.

Victor Ruiz 7:44

Steve Hoelker 7:45
I mean, now it’s probably worth more than that. But at the time, I was like, that’s, that’s a little bit more than I want to pay.

Victor Ruiz 7:51

Steve Hoelker 7:53
So I was talking to a friend who was vending. And he was like, I you see anything good. And I was like, I really liked that motley crew set. And

the guy was like, He’s a good friend. And he was like, Yeah, he’s a good friend. He’s like, okay, I’ll do 50

Victor Ruiz 8:22
Oh, wow.

Steve Hoelker 8:23
So the vendor friend happens to be Johnny z.

Victor Ruiz 8:27
Oh, wow. No shit.

Steve Hoelker 8:29
So that was like a very weird. I was like, cool. We’re friends.

But, yeah, we actually met, my wife used to live in New Hope.

Victor Ruiz 8:41

Steve Hoelker 8:42
And when we first started dating, we were just wandering around downtown New Hope. And there was a store off the side of the main strip. And we go in, it’s called great Jones world. And it has like, all this Nightmare Before Christmas stuff, which is one of my wife’s favorite things in the world. So we go in, and we’re just looking at a cool collectible store and got toys and stuff. So I’m happy and other playing Nightmare Before Christmas stuff. My wife is just singing everything to the whole album and everything. And the guy was like, Oh, you sound really good. And, and she was like, I love the movies. Like, it’s my favorite too. And as we’re talking a little bit more, it somehow I find out that he’s Johnny z. And I’m like Johnny’s, he is in like Megaforce. And he’s like, Yeah, I was like, well, that’s awesome.

about stuff. And then he was at that show and, and he was like, oh, hook my friend up with a better deal. And I was like, This is so cool.

Victor Ruiz 9:56

Steve Hoelker 9:58
But that’s probably my most metal story. Which isn’t very metal, but what I got

Victor Ruiz 10:04
Johnny Z is metal royalty. So that is a in my opinion that is a very metal story. You have a Gabriel there wearing a Overkill t shirt if it wasn’t for Johnny’s either, you know, we wouldn’t know about Overkill.

Steve Hoelker 10:17
That’s right. That was actually the first band I asked him about, I’m sure. You know, most people are like, oh, what about Metallica and like all these other cities,

Victor Ruiz 10:26

Steve Hoelker 10:26
Um, but I’m like Overkill. Tell me more. Tell me more about Biff Naked.

Victor Ruiz 10:34
Cool. So, Brad, I know you can hear us.

When you have a moment that you’re free to give us your Motley Crue side of things, just give me a you know, give me a thumbs up and I’ll jump on over you because I know that you’re in between calls and whatnot. But

Brad Dahl 10:55
yeah, I actually want to hear more. Steve.

Victor Ruiz 11:01
Does that help your day go by quicker?

Brad Dahl 11:03
Yeah, it would it would actually be good if he Come here and sit on my lap.

Steve Hoelker 11:08
I don’t know.

Brad Dahl 11:09
Unfortunately, I’ve just got slaughtered today. So I’m kind of catching up with things. And luckily, they can find some kind of quieted down and we have extra people on right now. But I will check in as soon as I can.

Victor Ruiz 11:20
All right. Sounds good.

Brad Dahl 11:21
Good to see everybody. Good.

Victor Ruiz 11:23

Gabriel Ruiz 11:24
Same here

Victor Ruiz 11:25
let’s, uh, let’s jump on over to our newest patron of the bunch, Mr. Rob Rowe.

Brad Dahl 11:33
Hey, hey, hey.

Victor Ruiz 11:35
Yeah, you are always in the chat. Always very supportive, supportive of not only my show, but of a bunch of other shows, like Decibel Geek and Talk Toomey and stuff like that. So your support is always very appreciative. And

Motley Crue. Um, what was tell us the first time that you heard Motley Crue and what stood out to you,

Brad Dahl 12:18
The first time I heard him was obviously also on MTV, you know, I’m 45. So back in that time period, you know, MTV was what you had. I mean, you can go by your albums and what have you, but, you know, that’s where a lot of the times you discover things, you know, it’s not like, know how it is today, where you got YouTube and everything else. It was either you had your buddies or, you know, MTV, what have you. And, you know, I was pretty young at the time, but Looks That Kill was the very first thing I remember seeing and hearing and just looking at him and going, Yeah, I like this, you know, it’s got that, you know, to me to have that, like,

Rob Rowe 13:01
kiss vibe with the visuals.

Brad Dahl 13:03
Hell, yeah. Like,

Rob Rowe 13:07
I want to, I want to know more about them. And then the funny thing was not even a week or two later, you know, going, you know, through just even, you know, grade school, people have, you know, their shirts and whatnot. And I’m like, you know, I’m trying in people like, okay, you know, tell me more, you know, what am I missing? And oh, have you heard the first album and you know, so on and so forth. But yeah, you know, that’s basically you know, how I got you know, introduced to the Crue.

Victor Ruiz 13:39
Okay, have you seen them in concert before?

Rob Rowe 13:43
I have not unfortunately, I am one of those. I have seen them.

Unknown Speaker 13:48

Victor Ruiz 13:49
What would you say is your favorite album by them and what three songs off of that would you use to defend your choice?

Rob Rowe 13:59
Okay, well might throw some people off might not my favorite album is Motley Crue with John Corabi

I love that album you know you got you know, my favorite off the album was Uncle Jack I just that that song just smokes.

Victor Ruiz 14:18

Rob Rowe 14:18
Well that one. Hooligans Holiday obviously is a you know, his jam and and he’ll do that acoustically. You know, during you know his shows, you know John will and that I also love the song Hammered to me, those are just great songs. This is an amazing album. And it was like they just went somewhere else and a lot of people will say well, they should have named it you know, a different project you know, which maybe they should have. But at the same time when you have a you know, a brand, a brand, like Motley Crue you have to go for it. But to me, this is my favorite album.

And then right behind it is uh you know, actually Dr. Feelgood I love that album as well.

Victor Ruiz 15:06
Okay, I can remember hearing

that song or that album. And that song actually, for the first time, there was a Sunday night show out of New York on a radio station that no longer plays music called WNEW. The host was Ian O’Malley. And he played Uncle Jack and Smoke The Sky back to back.

It was it was really cool. It’s really eye opening. I love that album as well. I know that a lot of people have an issue with it, because Vince isn’t on it and whatnot. But yeah, along the lines of what you just mentioned, people were saying, oh, change your name, or it should have been MC 94. It should have been whatever. But

I’ve said it a million times. Once you build that brand up.

Rob Rowe 16:00
Yeah, you keep going.

Victor Ruiz 16:02
Yeah, it’s hard to discard it and say, Okay, we’re gonna name the band.

Black Sabbath and Heaven and Hell, but that was, I actually had that explained to me in that had they have gone out under the name Black Sabbath.

well, he didn’t because they went out under that name.

Rob Rowe 16:47
So that’s true. That’s very true.

Victor Ruiz 16:51
So awesome. We are now going to jump on over to the UK. And Mr. Jeremy Weltman, who today we debuted a new segment during the podcast called the Patron’s Picks. And it coincided with a video that actually

for the for the next podcast episode. And, and I was like, wait, I just posted that. So that’s why I kind of responded back but you are wearing the Motley Crue t shirt that is from the if I’m not mistaken. Oh, final tour, okay. But that really is like in in homage to Girls, Girls, Girls, because that was like a lot of like the Harley Davidson like imagery that they use around that time for for that album. Again. It is awesome to have you involved in this stuff because obviously being in the UK, how Motley Crue rose through the ranks or how you became aware of Motley Crue was completely different to us. Yeah.

Yeah. So for you What, what was the first thing that you remember seeing Motley Crue?

Jeremy Weltman 18:20
Well, it’s the same thing as you guys. It’s MTV.

Victor Ruiz 18:25

Jeremy Weltman 18:25
But but it’s much later because the first two albums really didn’t sort of come over here. So you know, motley crew were a slow burn over here. And I think it was their image. You know, you got to bear in mind that sort of the early 80s. We had some, you know, really hard rock in bands going on in the UK. And that sort of image that Motley Crue had were not was not really in tune with what, what the UK audience wanted to see initially. But But MTV really changed all that. And it was Smoking In The Boys Room. I mean, that was the tongue which, you know, everybody was talking about. It was just an incredible song. It was obviously a cover version of the Brownsville Station 70s 70 song.

Victor Ruiz 19:10

Jeremy Weltman 19:10
and all my mates were into that song. And that they just, they became a big success in the UK.

Victor Ruiz 19:18
Okay, and for you, what is your favorite album by the band?

Jeremy Weltman 19:23
Well, it comes as no surprise that it’s the same same album that has that song on and it’s Theater Of Pain. I don’t know if you can see that. The original copy actually which, which I had from I think it must be 85 isn’t it when it came out? So yeah, I mean, it’s a fantastic I love that album. it to me every song on that album is that as at least a seven out of 10 every every song I love them all. I played it three or four times this week just to remind myself of remind yourself of it all. And it was really hard choosing three songs from it. But obviously, Smokin In The Boys Room is number one. Number two is, is definitely Home Sweet Home. Because that’s just an incredible ballad, which, again was, you know, one that we all liked at the time. And then if I had to pick a third one, I think only this week, I would say it’s Keep Your Eye On The Money. And there’s a reason for that. I think that it’s got some elements in that song, which are quite interesting. One is that there’s a good use of the cowbell. Also, if you listen to it, it does sound a bit later on in the song as if Tommy is actually using a gong drum as well to hit. So he’s actually hitting a gong drum as well as a cowbell in that song. And I think that’s the only time anyone’s ever used the gong drum in a metal song. And the other thing is that Solo is actually probably from a different song. If you listen to the solo, it’s it kind of takes it off in a completely different direction. And the good thing about that is that you know, you can be standing on a table dancing to Motley Crue, and the solo comes on and it’s the point where you actually jump off the table and land on your knees on the floor. So that to me is the essence of a Motley Crue song. And it’s just it’s a fantastic album. I mean, you know, I’ve listened to a lot of stuff since that album. And I like a lot of a lot of Motley Crue stuff, but that that’s the number one.

Victor Ruiz 21:45

It sounds as if you’ve had practice doing that whole jumping off the table after the solo before so it’s like, you know what you’re talking about there?

Jeremy Weltman 21:57

Steve Hoelker 21:58
Do you have video of that anywhere?

Jeremy Weltman 22:00

The great thing about Motley Crue is, if you think about it, they combine a lot of elements that they’ve got, they’ve got the rock and roll, which is goes back to sort of the 50s or 60s. I can sort of picture myself at these those American dances. You can play Motley Crue stuff and it’s got a real sort of rock and roll element to it. But it’s got that glam rock as well. And it’s got the sleeze. So it might it marries those three elements perfectly. It’s not overproduced. Sometimes the riffs are really simple. And I think eventually the UK audience got that. But it took a while because of the you know what they look like? I don’t think the UK audience was you know, ready for to see a band like that. But eventually they loved it because hair metal obviously took off in the mid 80s. And the other bands that you know, were just as wild

Victor Ruiz 22:58
Yeah, I think that you could also talk a lot about Twisted Sister and what originally initially happened to them over there and that famous video of Dee Snider playing on TV and wiping his makeup off and saying well now you take me seriously now will you? You know, listen to me that type of a deal so yeah, I get what you’re saying. Have you seen them in concert?

Jeremy Weltman 23:27
Yeah, only the ones and it was on this tour. It was on the final tour. I saw them at Manchester arena. And you know, I thought the phone call could have could have been better but the so the main thing that I took away from the concert was that rock and roll roller roller coaster. I mean to see Tommy Lee going round on a roller coaster inside an arena race probably the biggest rock or roll moment you’re ever going to see in your entire life I mean, my my mouth was open when when I saw it I sort of heard about it but to actually see it and he’s still playing the drums as he’s going round the roller coaster I have no idea how they managed to put that up night after night in the set you know in a different auditorium you’re never gonna beat that. I mean I don’t think Kiss have ever beaten that that Kiss have an amazing show. But that that was the the

Victor Ruiz 24:26
Yeah, he’s he’s come out and I guess there’s a rapper, I don’t know who, whose drummer actually, like, almost copied the roller coaster identically. And he’s complained about that how, you know, they went ahead and just like kind of lifted the entire idea from what from what they had done. So yeah, I mean that and he’s always up the ante with this tour that they’ve put on hold for this year. That suppose are going to take place next year. You have to wonder how are they going to top it because with Theater Of Pain that was you know, he did the drum set on an incline, then with Girls, Girls, Girls it spun around then, you know Dr. Feelgood it was up in the rafters of the arena. And then after that I kind of lost track see when I’ve seen them here. He’s never had anything like that, like for the the reunion tour that they did when I saw them in O-five, you really didn’t. Like I think he climbed the rope up to the top of the lighting trust or something like that. But he didn’t really do like a drum solo like that. And then the last time I saw him, or that I saw the band, his drum solo was wasted on him coming out and doing the Oh, I’ve got the Tommy cam. And he was going out and saying that he was drinking jack daniels, which I’m sure was just iced tea in a in a in a bottle of jack daniels. But then he spent 15 minutes trying to get this blonde to to flash him. And I’m like, uh, can we move on with you know one of these things where you want to hear more music is, you know, literally, they played a headline set, they played like an hour and 20 minutes, and people were really pissed after because the top it off. We got out of an hour and 20 minutes. We got a 15 minute, Tommy Lee shenanigans on the camera solo. So you know, it sucks. Go ahead.

Jeremy Weltman 26:57
No, no, I was just gonna say the interesting thing as well at the end of that concert, just to shift on a bit. They, they did the Encore in the middle of the auditorium. And my wife and I were standing right next to the sort of mini stage. We sort of forgot about it during the main part of the show. They came out and did Home sweet home. Right in the middle. So we’re standing right next to the to the band. I mean, you know, you couldn’t be any closer. It was incredible. You know, just to see that being performed. But going back to Tommy, I think the only thing he can do now is probably just to blow himself up on stage. Really. There’s nothing more he can do.

Victor Ruiz 27:44
Well, we may see that in the end. Who knows? Awesome. Um, let’s go on back to New Jersey here with the one of the resident doctors that is joining us tonight. The metal dentist Mr. Gabriel Ruiz. How are you sir?

Gabriel Ruiz 28:08
Hello, hello. Sorry. I have I’m on mute most the time because I got a newborn in the background crying. So it’s, uh, I don’t want him to interrupt the show too much.

Victor Ruiz 28:18
Well, that would add ambience and it would be like, instead of Kiss, you know, having the crowd piped in. That’s, you know, you’ve got, you’ve got your newborn in the background, adding the, you know, the chanting and all of the other stuff. So

Gabriel Ruiz 28:38
He’s definitely Shouting At The devil, that’s for sure.

Victor Ruiz 28:44
Awesome. So let’s see Motley Crue. Your first recollection of Motley Crue.

Gabriel Ruiz 28:51
Wow. Well, I was believer, not at a believe or not. I mean, you and I spent most most of our youth together. But I was at at a different friend’s house that live close to your old house up on up on the hill. And if I remember, there was a like, a whole hubbub upstairs and they said, Oh, cuz I was a young kid. He said, I’ll go downstairs and watch TV and i and i went downstairs and, and of course, you know, the first thing I put out was MTV. And basically, you know, that. I, the minute I turned it on, it was Girls, Girls, Girls was on the album Girls, Girls, Girls when the song was Wildside. And then when I saw Tommy Lee with the drum, the drum I was just, I was like, This is crazy. This is this is like, this is like the, to me, it was like the newest thing I realized they’ve been around ready a little bit but to me, it was like unbelievable. And then I remember I think I even got when I got home. I call this and hey, Vic, did you hear about this band? And of course, yes, I know who the band is. And you know, because I’m always I’m always behind. During the times where that kind of stuff, but that was my first recollection of them, you know, and then I like well, they’re basically everything up to the, you know, to the 90s I like pretty much all of them I’m not like, like hardcore on one album. But most of the all the 80s albums they have great tunes and I just catchy and just like Jeremy said, you know, you a lot of times you hear people that say that, oh, you know, they get upset because they’re they, they, their, their music, some of the riffs are very simplistic and and you know what, they’re catchy and they they come to your ear and they you enjoy them you know? And then you there’s many times you sit there and you say even nowadays, you’re like you’re hearing a tune in the background. You’re like Oh, that’s a Motley Crue tune. You know, I don’t think a lot of people realize how much of their music is used in the media all throughout the you know, all throughout their lives and and it’s just it’s just all around in terms of bandwidth their their music is used in movies it’s used in in all sorts of things and and you just hear them all over the place and and I like they’re there I like I like their style I you know I like I like the way they play and I’ve never seen them live I’ve never had a chance to see them live unfortunate I would definitely love to go see them live I’ve never had that opportunity if they do come around I’ll like you get a chance I’ll go but my my favorite album probably it’s hard for me to choose because there’s little snippets of good songs and all the 80s albums but my my probably favorite albums gonna be I will say many Shout At The Devil You Know my three songs that that are Shout At The Devil and Too Young To Fall In Love and probably Helter Skelter are so you know, Helter Skelter always like, even I can be like Believe it or not, I can be like, working on patients and in the background, I can help this guy out there a minute alone that I just have a two and just like an earworm coming my ear and why I couldn’t tell you. But that’s just an adaptation to the band and and their this their their music is catchy. And it’s it’s good to listen to and it’s enjoyable. Yeah, they have their antics and they’ve had their drama over the years and everything and this and that, but shit revolving around Tommy But otherwise, they’re they’re, they’re they’re they’re a great band and nobody I don’t think anybody can dispute. I mean, there’s you know, you can compare bands and stuff but but they’re there let’s say prowess in the in the in the in the metal world and slash hair metal, you know, because believe it or not, when I first saw them, I thought they were metal. I said oh, this is metal. You know, this is a metal band, you know, just like many people today listen to Oh, darn. I have a little bit brain fart but they listen to what’s the band from Germany? Vic helped me who this year

Victor Ruiz 33:00

Gabriel Ruiz 33:01
Yes, thank you. And back in the day. That was that was to me that was metal and now it’s you know, hard rock, you know? So but there as far as as far as their their longevity and their their ability to put out great music, especially the 80s for me, I mean, there there’s no, there’s I mean, there’s other bands that are obviously better and stuff, but they’re you cannot dispute what they’ve done. In my opinion.

Victor Ruiz 33:27
Yeah, I think that definitely they they set the standard for a lot of other bands that definitely came after them because a lot of bands copied them. You know, let’s be honest, when you talk about the Sunset Strip bands.

Gabriel Ruiz 33:44

Victor Ruiz 33:46
Van Halen was back in the 70s and the band that led the big charge in the 80s was Motley Crue. You know, I realized that Quiet Riot sure had the number one before them. But Motley Crue was the one that had the staying power and had this series of albums that were just huge. And all many bands came after that, you know, wanted to do what they were doing, for better or worse. So

Gabriel Ruiz 34:16
I’m sure you’re going to quote me incorrectly but Call me if I’m wrong. If I remember correctly, when we were in high school, one of the first CDs when you finally got a CD player was Dr. Feelgood or was I wrong?

Victor Ruiz 34:26
You are wrong.

Gabriel Ruiz 34:30
I’m always wrong. That’s right, Steve.

Victor Ruiz 34:36
I can only remember my first few CDs. My first one was Dokken’s back for the attack because I remember I got a $99 CD player at a place in like East Hanover and I don’t remember the name. It ended up being the Best Buy out there. And on the way home, I told my mother I said, Hey, can we stop at Kmart? I saw that they have a CD for seven for $7.99. And she said, Well, we we have to buy music for this now I’m like, yeah, remember you guys bought a record player you needed records to listen to. So it’s kind of the same deal. And so I got that that was number one. Number two. No, number two you bought for me for my birthday, and it was up at Soundrama in in Roxbury, New Jersey.

Gabriel Ruiz 35:38

Victor Ruiz 35:39
Queen’s Greatest Hits the original it was only available. And it was like 25 bucks, which was astronomical at the time for CD. I. I remember. You got me that and then the third was Operation Mindcrime by Queensrych. Okay, um, I didn’t get Dr. Feelgood until way later. But yeah,

Gabriel Ruiz 36:04
I just want to finish one thing. Even though Shout At The Devil is probably about to choose my bet. My favorite most favorite album. My most favorite song. I just because I just I like the way it rolls. I love the guitar solo in it is Kickstart My Heart. I just I just love that one. I mean, I understand I’m choosing all the cliche ones but and all the more common ones but that

Steve Hoelker 36:27
They’re good.

Gabriel Ruiz 36:28
I listen to how listen to while I was more into you know Helloween and, and, and Iron Maiden, you know that kind of stuff. But But I definitely enjoyed Motley Crue stuff.

Victor Ruiz 36:41
Yeah, absolutely. And that song itself Kickstart My Heart. I mean, you guys have mentioned that already. It’s been in movies. It’s been in commercials. It’s been, you know, when you go to a stadium in the US and you’re at any sort of sporting event, you know, kickstart my heart gets played, you mentioned Too Young To Fall In Love before, I remember at the old Continental Airlines Arena, where they would just play snippets of songs like in a loop and they would play like run to the hills, and they would play the beginning. Just Tommy Lee’s part too, too young to fall in love, they would play it over and over again. And like during game stoppages, so So yeah, they’ve definitely become a band that’s had a huge influence. Robert, you signal signaling me? Are you talking to somebody else?

Rob Rowe 37:39
Oh, um, I was signaling a my future wife here. But at the same time, since we’re talking about favorite songs. Yeah, so yeah, I guess it was a double single. I have to throw when I’m Primal Scream, man. And that as long as so to ask, When I first heard that. I was just like, what the hell is this? It was so good. And, yeah, since you threw in a favorite song, man, you change the game.

Gabriel Ruiz 38:06
Sorry, sorry.

Rob Rowe 38:09
I had to throw it in there. So no, it’s all good. Gabriel. I love it, man. But yeah, so I had to throw that in.

Victor Ruiz 38:17
Um, yeah, Brad Rob said Primal Scream for him. Um, the the wait. Okay. Um, the The cool thing about Primal Scream as a drummer. That song actually has three different drum parts. Because if you really listen to that song and examine it, throughout the song, he’s got the regular beat the Tommy Lee has in that song, but he’s playing a hi hat, a ride cymbal, and a cowbell, which Jeremy brought up, he’s playing all three during certain parts of that song, like right after the chorus where the outro out of the chorus, he does that and that’s what makes that song like kind of unique and really stand out. And you know, when they play it live, it never sounds the same. Because it’s impossible unless he’s got like two other guys in the background like doing a lot of that stuff. You can’t hear he did that a lot on the Motley Crue album on the self titled and that’s like the type of shit that Bill Ward would do on the old Black Sabbath albums where you know, you listen to something like Children Of The Grave, or it’s just the opening riff and whatnot and you hear him like just going to town on the toms while he’s actually playing the you know, the crash cymbal and the snare you’re saying he can’t physically do this at the same time. So you know, I credit Bill Ward for that kind of stuff, like throwing in those different parts as if they were guitar parts like solos going on over top of the other guitar stuff, but it’s you know, layering drums parts and Tommy Lee did that with Primal Scream and, and other stuff you know later on. So that’s definitely a badass song. I love that song. That song, you know, to me was like, wow, they’re getting really heavy all of a sudden again and you know what times they have and other times you know they’ve done Brandon and Rocketship. So, you know, it is what it is,

I guess.

Rob Rowe 40:25
Yeah, let’s not go Brandon. Please, man. I was hoping. Oh, God, nevermind. I was hoping not to hear about that during this podcast. But guess what? You ruined it.

Victor Ruiz 40:38
Steve, do you have a favorite? Motley Crue song that isn’t any of the ones that you mentioned?

Steve Hoelker 40:49
Merry Go Round is probably my favorite song. There’s just something about that song. I know, I mentioned that as my favorite. Um, let’s see. Too Young To Fall In Love. It’s probably the other favorite. Okay, there’s something about like, everything about it’s just, I don’t know, just cool drum intro and then the slide on the guitar, and then just the vocals coming in. You know, it’s just awesome.

Victor Ruiz 41:21
Yeah, it sucks that I can’t use quote unquote, real music. Because, you know, I was preparing the intro. And I just I thought of, you know, sampling too young to fall in love and you know, different songs that had different iconic parts for me as like the intro, and I’m like, you know, if I use this, we’re either getting knocked out, we’re getting knocked off of Twitch, definitely. Maybe YouTube. And I was like, yeah, I’m not gonna mess with what little? You know what I have. So I hear you. I definitely agree with you there. Jeremy since Gabriel was good to change the rules up on us here. Any favorites that you would say, you know, do you have a favorite outside of theater of pain? Or are they you know, your favorites? The ones that you mentioned?

Jeremy Weltman 42:15
Well, actually kickstart my heart is is probably my ultimate favorite. Motley Crue song. I really like that song. Brilliant song. I like to feel good as well. Okay, that’s great. So those two, probably along with that album, yeah, those two other ones. But the interesting thing about Motley Crue songs is and I think this is a this is a general thing for a lot of metal as well. If you have a chorus that people can sing and the band actually say it enough times, you’re gonna make yourself a real great song. And if you listen to a lot of Motley Crue songs, those choruses, you know, they’re just sing along nicely.

Victor Ruiz 42:53

Jeremy Weltman 42:55
And that’s, you know, that’s a that’s a hit hit song, and they’ve got loads of those types of songs, really

Victor Ruiz 43:00
Yeah, absolutely. So I see that a Brad is still talking people off the ledge out in Utah.

Gabriel Ruiz 43:09
So I have a question.

Victor Ruiz 43:13
Okay, let’s hear it

Gabriel Ruiz 43:14
Cause I just don’t remember

what was what was the first video or the first album where you would see Nikki latest pants on fire?

Victor Ruiz 43:23
Live Wire. That’s all first album. Yeah.

Gabriel Ruiz 43:27
Okay. So it was it was straight from the beginning.

Victor Ruiz 43:30
Yeah, yeah. That was the first video that they released. And that was like, again, you guys mentioned it before. They’re, you know, want to do their version of Kiss where Gene spitfire, Nikki would light his pants on fire. So they, they definitely wanted to add theatrical along the lines of what some of their favorite bands had done in the past. So

Gabriel Ruiz 43:57
That’s, that’s my that’s like my next thing. So. So like, I never had a chance to see them live for you. For those of you who have seen them live see have seen them live. I guess they put on a very theatrical show. Very similar. I would say to Alice Cooper, maybe I know Alice Cooper is kind of like the king.

Steve Hoelker 44:14

Gabriel Ruiz 44:15
of theatrical, let’s just say and just stage having stage props and things of that nature. Is that the type of show because again, I you know, I see what I seen on videos and stuff like that, but I you know, I’ve never seen them live.

Steve Hoelker 44:30
Yeah, that’s about right.

Victor Ruiz 44:32
Yeah, yeah. I mean, somewhere between kissing Alice Cooper’s is a fair assessment. Because, you know, um, Alice is heavy on the theatrical but Alice, for example, isn’t as heavy on like the bombs and the fire and all that stuff where Motley Crue does that. And they get that, you know, they get probably that shock value from that side of the shock value from From Kiss. Motley Crue definitely draws from a lot of 70s glam rock bands because I mean, the Theater Of Pain that that Jeremy showed, I mean, that was, I mean, Nikki was dressed. What a combination of Steven Tyler and Pete Way, you know, with the stripes, it’s, you know, they’ve always kind of taken a little bit of, of what they’ve enjoyed. And they’ve done that with the music because I mean, I know that there are other albums that we haven’t talked about. Generation Swein for example, has a lot to do with them cherry picking from you know, I remember Nikki talking a lot about the band Garbage at the time and there’s a lot of that like electronic element in there. They did a lot of, you know, Marilyn Manson esque stuff for Nine Inch Nails esque stuff with some of the more downtrodden stuff on that album. You look at saints Saints Of Los Angeles, which is probably my least favorite album by them is is totally them like trying to fit in with all the bands that their management company had signed up at the time that they were taking out on tour Papa Roach and Trapt and, you know, saving Abel and all of these bands, you know, that was hip. So they started doing that stuff, you know, so for a better track. What’s that?

Steve Hoelker 46:30
the title track is probably the most motley sounding song off that


Victor Ruiz 46:35
Yeah, yeah.

Steve Hoelker 46:36
Saints Of Los Angeles.

Victor Ruiz 46:37
Yeah, and for me, personally, I like three songs off of that the title track. I’m probably Going Out Swinging. And Motherfucker Of The Year outside of that. I mean, the rest is just to polish than to, um, I don’t know. Um,

Rob Rowe 46:59
It was very generic in my opinion.

Victor Ruiz 47:02
Yeah. Yes, very generic. Yeah, that’s a good, a good way. A good way of looking at it. Sorry, somebody? Is I am me. I thought I closed all of my Facebook windows. Or dming. me I’m showing my age. There I am. It was back in back in the AIM days.

Steve Hoelker 47:24
It wasn’t me this time.

Victor Ruiz 47:30
All right. So for me, the first time that I saw Motley Crue was a lot like you guys was, um, was Shout At The Devil was the video for Looked That Kill and the instant connection was the makeup. And I’m like, wow, another band like Kiss. I loved it. Plus, you know, I was heavily into, you know, Creatures Of The Night. That was my favorite Kiss album. By the time you know, Shout At The Devil came out. And it was that heavier edge that I was loving from Kiss. So it sort of was along those lines. So that really captivated me. And then Too Young To Fall In Love video, which Steve mentioned. But I will say the first album that I owned, was theater pain. And what happened that summer that that was released. Every time that I would come to Spain, I would be given disposable money, which I wouldn’t be given when I was. So the first thing that I would do was was run out to the record stores. And I looked for Theater Of Pain, which had just been released like a month or two. Previous to that. And I played the ever living crap out of Theater Of Pain. I mean, I knew the lyrics to every song like within a week to 10 days. For a lot of people that pan that album. I honestly feel sorry for them because to me it’s a special album for me. It’s funny because with Motley Crue as opposed to Kiss and opposed to Iron Maiden. It’s harder for me to pick a favorite album because those first three albums are so important to me that the self titled album is just so good as well. I’ll even go on further. I really really liked the album New Tattoo, which doesn’t have Tommy Lee, but it has a lot of those elements that the first three albums have. Um, I love that album outside of you know some of the ballads which I’m not a ballad guy. But, uh, if I have to sit down and I was thinking about it all day and I had a playlist going on before it came on the air. And it was funny because the first thing that came up was Nona off of Girls, Girls, Girls, I instantly fast forwarded that

Steve Hoelker 50:17
I love that song

Victor Ruiz 50:21
And then it played it played. Piece Of Your Action, Merry Go Round, Come On And Dance. Ten Seconds To Love, Red Hot, Look That kill, Save Our Souls. And it played it wasn’t Keep Your Eye On The Money. It was something else off of Theater Of Pain. Raise Your Hands To Rock I think. So it actually like through osmosis only played songs off of those first three albums, which was kind of cool. I was like, wow, you know, this is my favorite time period of the band. Little thinking back though. I’m like okay, on the show. I did do the classic albums focused on Shout At The Devil. And I would have to say that probably just due to influence and just songs beginning to end I would probably have to lean towards Shout At The Devil is probably being my favorite album.

To sell the album is saying my three favorite tracks is hard for me as well because even the tracks that were left off I Will Survive in Black Widow were fucking kick ass songs in my opinion. But if I had to choose it would have to be it would have to be Red Hot would have to be Ten Seconds To Love and would have to be the title track Shout At The Devil would be my three favorite off of that. If I take the the the Gabriel Ruiz way and have to pick a favorite song of all time by the band.

Rob Rowe 52:16
Thank you, Gabriel.

Gabriel Ruiz 52:19
I gave us talking points.

Victor Ruiz 52:21
Yeah. If I if I had to go that route, I would actually have to probably say, um, Save Our Souls off of Theater Of Pain. There’s just something about that song. And that, you know, just the way the slide guitars fit into that just Tommy’s playing was off of that song was heavily influential to me with with how I learned how to play drums. And funny that Jeremy, you brought up Keep Your Eye On The Money because as you were describing that I was hearing the solo back in my head and Tommy’s parts. Because Tommy was very, very influenced by Alex Van Halen, and in one thing and that is playing something completely different during the solos that he didn’t play during the rest of the songs. So as a kid when we were want to be musicians, Gabriel and myself.

Gabriel Ruiz 53:27
I’m still a wannabe musician.

Victor Ruiz 53:30
Yeah, well behind the solos I was trying to imitate Tommy Lee a lot. So there you go. Ss Save Our Souls is probably my all time favorite Motley Crue song, which you know as an oddball, it is an oddball choice. So um, let’s see, go ahead?

Gabriel Ruiz 53:54
I don’t mean to sidetrack you again, but because you obviously you’re a drummer by trade. Would you put Tommy Lee in your top 10


Victor Ruiz 54:10
Okay, I would say that Tommy Lee. Tommy Lee for that time period, is one of the most influential drummers I would say in a lot. This is a discussion that I had with Mark striegel recently where we talked about or maybe it was the last episode with Tim Henderson of brave words. I talked about Lars Ulrich and how a lot of people crap on Lars Oelrich nowadays, but don’t realize what Lars Ulrich did for drummers and music in general with Kill Them All with Ride The Lightning with Master Of Puppets and within And Justice For All they’re just parts on those albums that changed how a lot of people played, how a lot of people incorporated double bass. how, you know, there’s a lot of things that I could go on about Lars, Tommy Lee is a similar player, or Tommy Lee influenced a lot of things with how he rhythmically attack things with how we incorporate the the ride cymbal in songs with how he made simple things sound more complicated, where how he made more complicated things sound simple, but you really had to, you know, analyze them to figure out what he was doing. And he had a specific style, like, um, again, as Jeremy pointed out with, you know, with that solo with Keep Your Eye On The Money, just how he starts that out, where it’s just a single base where he works into a double bass, and he adds all these different, like, different fills along the way. Where it served the song It served the solo, it kind of accentuated the song without taking the song over. And you know, we’ve read over the years, we’ve heard producers say, he’s by far the most talented guy in the band. So as a result, I would say yes, for the 80s, he was a very influential drummer, and he did a lot to help move the evolutionary change of rock drumming, whether people want to admit that or not, and yeah, people will get hung up on his shenanigans and whatnot, but it’s a musician first and foremost. And he helped to do a lot. Over over those albums. We also have to think that, you know, all of those albums up until Dr. Feelgood went platinum more than once. They were huge sellers. And they were putting albums out like once every five years, basically, they weren’t back to back albums. So, you know, to think how messed up they were. And then to be able to pull that stuff off. On top of it is is just amazing. And we can also credit maybe Tom worm, Werman, or Wormer whoever’s name is the producer. Dee Snider’s favorite producer for maybe whipping them into shape, but, you know, he was he was huge. And as a whole, you guys have mentioned, the repetitive courses, the ear worm factor, with a lot of their music. It’s, it’s just there and it just makes you want to listen to a lot of this stuff. So


Rob Rowe 57:55
I do have a question, though. You know, because we’re on a Motley Crue deal here, but or even talking about Tommy Lee, any of you like, Methods Of Mayhem at all?

Steve Hoelker 58:08
It’s okay,

Victor Ruiz 58:09
There are songs off of it that aren’t bad, like the song Crash is Okay. I think that’s probably the best song that he released off of methods of mayhem. But if you listen to his other two solo albums, he has some decent songs on there. The problem is that again, a lot of his songwriting ability was overshadowed by shit he was doing outside of the music, where, you know, he probably would have been taken a lot more seriously. Let’s think of the context. Let’s think of, you know, for example, The Eagles and I’m not saying The Motley Crue or the Eagles as songwriters or whatever. But look at Don Henley, what Don Henley did as a solo artist. He was never taken as a joke. His songs were chart toppers, whether they were poppy, whether they were actually written by Prince or anyone else behind the scenes, um, Tommy Lee could have had that same type of perception. But he decided that he wanted to live up to all the hype. And, you know, that’s his prerogative at the end of the day, but I think that had it not have been for what he did outside of the music. He probably those albums would have probably sold a lot more and it would have been akin to a lot of members of bands in the 70s who put out their own music, and we’re now taking you know, seriously or, you know, maybe not in the same vein as, as the as their day job but look at like a Tremonti or Yeah, Tremonti nowadays Mark Tremonti where he’s got Alter Bridge, but he’s also got his solo stuff going on. He’s gonna put out his fifth solo album out now. No one ever liked thinks of that as a joke or criticizes it. Where as everything that Tommy has done due to the shock value that he’s trying to get out of things, it’s always attracted. So, but the band as a whole, because if you look at you know, I, when I talked to Todd Severin from Ripple Music and he broke down how streaming can help artists. And you think about her every time they’re about to whenever Motley Crue or Sixx AM, or Niski Sixx is about to put out any product. The first thing he does is yammer on about YouTube and Spotify and this in that, as opposed to actually saying, you know, what’s really going on, as far as his wallet is concerned, you know, or just chiming in when Peter Frampton, who’s already been raped by four different managers. All of a sudden shows Hey, look for Baby, I Love Your Way. I only got half a cent, right? But you’re also the guy that lost a guitar 45 years ago, and you just found it. So you know, there’s just so many in consistencies. I think that and we’ve seen it through The Dirt. The band is great, but I’ve been told by a lot of people that they’ve always wanted a superman persona. They’ve always wanted to be superheroes, and not the way the Kiss has, but to try to live up to their legend. When I interviewed John Bush, the first time I interviewed him, I asked him about The Dirt and Tommy Lee’s quotes about Joey Vera from Armored Saint and they’re like the story that he told. And he flat out told me he said, Well, yeah, that was an interesting way to look at something that took place but I can tell you, John Bush flat out said it it’s on my website. He says yeah, nothing of what he saw. He said actually happened. Bob Nalbandian has told me the same thing. He said look, Tommy says that they were riding a motorcycle they were riding a Ford I forget what car it was but he said it was it was a car was no motorcycle they didn’t crash exactly where they said was somewhere else. He was saying that they crashed because they went to go see Joey’s dealer when it was Tommy’s dealer You know, there’s so many things that just weren’t factual and that they sell and you know, even after The Dirt came out Jimmy D’Anda of the Bullet Boys posted on Facebook. He said yeah, I was at their at their house behind the behind the whiskey and he said it was a total sausage fest there were never chicks there. So you know, he even said it then that a lot of this stuff was fabricated, so but whatever is is what it is. So it is the the lore and legend of Motley Crue.

Rob Rowe 1:03:05
And that’s what sells books is bullshit.


Victor Ruiz 1:03:10
Yeah, unfortunately. Well, we’ve seen it. We’ve seen Queen do it with their movie, which is, you know, 90% fiction, which it’s a work based on some things that happened but not exactly and and what did it do? You know, they just released today that they were the second biggest rock band in the world. And in 2020 they made Oh, what is it like $20 million off of just five points something off of streaming five point something off of physical album sales. Like another seven off of publishing. And I forget what else and then zero off of touring. So yeah, bullshit sales. What do I know? I need to start interviewing people and making stories up as I’m talking to them.

Rob Rowe 1:04:02
As long as they show up. Yeah, well, yeah, that one was a little. Yeah, I feel bad for you on that one.

Victor Ruiz 1:04:15
That was the first time that’s happened since I started doing the live stream was supposed to be someone else from the band and then all of a sudden, you know, two days before they told me Oh, yeah, he just realized he’s traveling that day. Huh? okay. And then and then after the guy no showed me. Oh, yeah, he was on your show. Why would I be wasting my time asking you when we can reschedule if I would have had him on my show already. You know, it’s not like I want to talk to the guy week after week. There are people that I correspond with via email from time to time, maybe once a month. I don’t I talk to all you guys a lot more than I talk to any artists. So is what it is. Um, Brad, do you have a second to chime in?

Brad Dahl 1:05:04
Yeah, yeah, let me let me punch out for a second. There’s enough people in that work in there that they should be able to handle it. So yeah, I’m supposed to be working, which I am. I’ve got a lot of cases to follow up my last hour I got one hour left. Now Moltey Crue, I’m a little bit biased about them just because of finding out that I went to high school with Tommy didn’t know, you know, he was nothing back then he’s a couple years younger than me. And my drummer in my band sold him his first drum set. So that’s that’s how I knew him. But anyway, when the first time I saw him was on MTV, and I believe I was somewhere in the south as a missionary in somebody’s house, and they had MTV on and I was like, What What, what is this crap? You know, it was it was actually really good. I thought it was Livewire and I’m watching. I’m watching Tommy play drums. I’m like, oh, man, that’s badass. You know, that’s really that’s really good. And especially his style. I don’t know whether he’s a big Tommy Aldridge fan, but that’s, that’s what his style reminded me of maybe nice. He’s playing what he was playing, but his style. And so I gave him top marks for his presentation of his drumming. So very, very cool. And I like to song to as like, this is really cool. This is something new, kind of exciting, and really happening. And then when I later got home and combined music. I did, I didn’t buy it, but I taught somebody I knew into buying Shout At The Devil. And so listen to that quite a bit and that I was gonna say that would be my favorite album until it was Rob. Okay, it’s great minds think alike. I didn’t even realize that the Motley Crue album was actually a Motley Crue album, so that would have been my favorite album. So Rob, yeah, I’m with you. 100% on that, and also a Primal Scream. That would be my favorite Motley Crue. So Wow, this is a What a coincidence. I can’t really yeah, go into detail about song titles on that Motley Crue album. I play quite a few of them on a yard metal because I like them. I just like the heaviness of that album. I like the production the sound especially the drums man. drums are just big and badass. The guitars are great. And I think John Corabi does a great job singing that stuff. So obviously that album wasn’t made for your classic Motley Crue fan it would fit well for those of us who have open minds and aren’t locked into you know, this is what the band has to be kind of a thing right none of us are like that i can i can tell from looking at all you guys so there you go. That’s that’s my quick and dirty and Motley Crue stuff and yeah, Vince I I’ve never actually seen Motley Crue the band live. So I’ve been Snell heard em three a couple years ago. That was

Victor Ruiz 1:07:52

Brad Dahl 1:07:53
That was entertaining. I think Mark was more entertained than I was he likes watching fat Vince waddle around the stage and throw stuff in and I gotta say this man, he has a certain charm. You know, people loved him and people were going nuts, but I’m gonna say What’s his name? The guitar player from Slaughter. Don’t help me. It’s slipping my mind. Okay,

Steve Hoelker 1:08:19
I can only think of Tim Kelly.

Brad Dahl 1:08:21
No, no, no.

Steve Hoelker 1:08:24
Yeah, he died. It’s not him.

Brad Dahl 1:08:26
Yeah. Anyway, He’s here. He’s actually a great singer. But he he’s saying more than Vince did. So and I got that. At one point Vince just was like, Hey, you know play a song without me. So they played Heaven and Hell. Right. And that went on for like 20 minutes I felt like and Tim Brando, is it Tim Brando. Is that right?

Victor Ruiz 1:08:45
Jeff Blando

Brad Dahl 1:08:46
Jeff Blando. Thank you, Jeff. There is a Tim Brando somewhere. Maybe that’s, I think that’s in the sports world. Jeff Blando, Blando, that dude, not only a great player, but a great singer. And he pretty much he pretty much carried everything there. But Vince, you know, would kind of like walk out, smile, then wave at the crowd and people go nuts. And then he’d walk offstage. He spent half of his time on stage, have his time offstage. So yeah, not not not impressed. But I think that’s kind of what you expect from Vince. And I think I told the story of how I met Vince once before he was in Motley Crue, he was in Rock Candy. A buddy of mine was using the same practice, you know, people would pay to practice their bands at this building. And so I was there helping him pick up his amp and Vince came walking up to me and the guy introduced me says yeah, this is this guy from this great band called Rock Candy. And I was like, Oh cool. It’s these vents and and all events was interested in was trying to buy marijuana which of course, I’m the wrong guy for that. No marijuana here. Sorry, folks. couldn’t help them. So I was like, sorry, man.

So yeah, that those are my impressions of them. So you But I think they’ve made a lot of great music over the years. And, and there There you go. That’s all I got.

Victor Ruiz 1:10:08
Well, that’s still still interesting, you’ve at least come in contact with two the members. And before they were they were famous. So

Brad Dahl 1:10:17
yeah, and you know, what’s funny is when the in The Dirt movie, The like the very opening stuff with Tommy when he was young, they pretty much nailed that because that was him he was just super hyper and kind of goofy and wacky and, and I remember once we were walking across the school yard and, and we saw him off into the distance and he flipped us off. And my buddy the who’s the drummer in my band, he was he was a he was a legit badass, nobody would ever fight this guy. He just calmly walked over to him and dumped his coke on his head. And you know, Tommy, Tommy wore it, man. So got to hand em to that. And then Tommy was also in the high school band. And and it where I grew up being in high school, the school band was not a badge of honor was a badge of shame. And I mean, whenever that we’d have a rally or something and they would bring the band out everybody would boo. Just an unbelievably it was. Yeah, they were they were a different group of people. But I can’t deny how impressive it is what what he did. You know, becoming a great drummer, and also a great, you know, great musician and being very successful. So successful today, I imagine. And so well done, Tommy.

Victor Ruiz 1:11:34
Oh, all right, tell everyone that I was four years marching and concert band in high school was actually the drum captain. wasn’t cool, but it was fun. So there you go.

Brad Dahl 1:11:51
I just remember there was when I was in biology, there was one of the we call them the band geeks. He was in front of me and we were dissecting a frog. And the guy was just kind of being a butthole. He kept turning around and looking at me and I was like, Dude, look at your frog. Don’t look at me. And so I took the brain out of my frog and I stuck it to the back of his band jacket. And he walked around all day with this frog brain stuck on the back of his jacket. So that’s the kind of harmless shenanigans I pulled as a youth.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:12:20
That’s a good name for bad frog brain. Frog.

Brad Dahl 1:12:23
Yes, it is. Yeah.

Steve Hoelker 1:12:25
I think they opened for Fishbone right?

Gabriel Ruiz 1:12:27

Brad Dahl 1:12:31
Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me, guys. I wish I could visit more. But I got I got a I got a truckload of cases I gotta finish up before I call it quits. But you guys are the best. Victor, you’re the best. And man thanks for thanks for doing this man. it this is this is great stuff, man. So party on.

Rob Rowe 1:12:49
Yeah. Nice to see Brad. You know,

Brad Dahl 1:12:52
yeah, Rob you too. And of course Gabriel. Yeah, I wish I could share some of my poison stories with you, Gabriel. You could find some of these things. I’ve been dealing with a me just amusing. It’s like national eat chewing gum day here in Utah. I’ve had more kids eating chewing gum, which I guess people believe that’s really gonna hurt them. And I know a four out of five dentist choose Trident it but nobody’s eating that today.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:13:16

I’m not even there. The funny thing about it is is I always say to patients, I must be that one dentist because I never get a letter or phone call or email say hey, what do you prefer to use Trident or Bubble Yum or so? I don’t know.

Brad Dahl 1:13:31
Well, now’s your chance. Tell us what you’d recommend. What’s your favorite gun?

Gabriel Ruiz 1:13:35
Oh, believe it or not? If you remember back in remember the little I forget the name of them there. They were like the depending of the Paul I think they’re called Paul. Not Pall Malls. There’s a cigarettes but you can chew Pall Malls. Yeah, I guess you could. There were these little clumps. There was a corner store. Victor and I grew up at the middle school. I actually went to school there. Victor didn’t go to school there. Yeah, he did. He went seventh in eighth grade.

Victor Ruiz 1:14:02
Seventh and eight grade, yeah.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:14:07
What happened?

Rob Rowe 1:14:08
Are you talking about bazooka gum?

Gabriel Ruiz 1:14:11
It’s similar to bazooka bazooka square these were round.

Rob Rowe 1:14:14
Okay, okay

Gabriel Ruiz 1:14:16
But it’s the same it’s almost the same consistency when you open the package. They were powdery and before you can get it you can get it soft enough you broke a tooth or two you know that’s that was one of my favorites. That was they used to call them Penny gums and yeah, you can quote a story for a penny you can get a piece of gum you know so that those were my favorite.

Brad Dahl 1:14:38
Yeah, you can’t beat the original pink bubblegum with the powdered sugar on it that’s that’s

Gabriel Ruiz 1:14:43
That’s basically it. Yeah

Brad Dahl 1:14:45
That’s legendary man. That’s like one of the best flavors in the world. So yeah, cool. So here we went from Motley Crue to bubblegum.

Rob Rowe 1:14:52
That’s right. That’s what that’s what the shows are all of my my favorite was always Big League Chew, you know, because you always

Brad Dahl 1:15:03
Oh yeah.

Rob Rowe 1:15:04
You always taught your baseball players he chewing tobacco and you’re like, well, I can’t have that shit. I’ll try this.

Brad Dahl 1:15:12
One of one of my last calls was actually somebody having a misadventure with chewing tobacco then, yeah, it wasn’t it wasn’t going well for him. So Oh, don’t don’t swallow that stuff. Kids.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:15:23
I didn’t say let me guess he swallowed it.

Brad Dahl 1:15:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Now I know he feels like he’s gonna die. So I said, Yeah, he’s gonna die, but not from that.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:15:35
Usually, that’s pretty good. That usually induces its own vomiting itself it self vomits easier. You let that go

Brad Dahl 1:15:42
Yeah, my brother used to party with these guys. And their their big thing is that they would do as much chewing tobacco as they could. Until they It was a badge of honor to vomit. So whoever vomited first was the winner. I mean, it stand out in the middle of the street in a circle and I’d watch these guys just going by right on and then like one guy puke and and and then that would just start a chain reaction of everybody else puke. And I’m like, I want Why am I even here? Other than this, this is great stuff.

Steve Hoelker 1:16:13
go hang out with Tommy Lee again.

Brad Dahl 1:16:15
There you go. I could tell another great story about this guy’s when we were going down the freeway and I was in the car and I needed to pee and was a Chevy Suburban. And the guy just said, Well, I’m not pulling over. So crawl out the back window and stand on the bumper and was off the side of the car. So So I got back there. And I’m hanging on hanging on, you know, and trying to pee out of this thing. And one of they had the windows down up front. And one of the guys is going Is it raining? So I guess the wind was sucking it back into the front of the car? Yeah. 80 miles an hour down the Corona Freeway.

Steve Hoelker 1:16:57
So which one of them puked first?

Brad Dahl 1:17:00
Yeah. Yeah, so anybody needs tips about how to urinate out of a moving vehicle? I’m your guy. Okay.

Steve Hoelker 1:17:11
So you’re number one at being out of the vehicle.

Brad Dahl 1:17:13
Number one at number one I’ve never pooped out of a moving vehicle, although a guitar player in my band, he his dad told him once it was wasn’t actually him. It was another kid in the car and they were going somewhere and he’s like, I got a pool, but he goes, then you’re out of the car.

And he did. They let this big skidmark down the door. Like who’s gonna clean that? Not me. We’ve really deteriorated now. I gotta go back. I gotta go back to work Jeremy, do you have that kind of fun in the UK?

Jeremy Weltman 1:17:54
Yeah, yes.

Brad Dahl 1:17:55
Okay, good.

Jeremy Weltman 1:17:56

Brad Dahl 1:17:59
All right. Well, you guys are the best man everybody have a great one. See ya

Victor Ruiz 1:18:06
So as as Brad drops a bomb on us

Steve Hoelker 1:18:11
No, that was the other guy.

Victor Ruiz 1:18:13
Yeah, that was the other guy but you know his his stories and that’s

Brad Dahl 1:18:16
That’s probably my favorite Kix song by the way. She Dropped Me The Bomb. Which Yeah, that could mean a lot of things.

Victor Ruiz 1:18:25
There you go. Well, guys, was a lot of fun having you guys on here tonight. As usual, we will do our next Patron only episode of the Signals From Mars in a few months to vote on not only the band we will discuss but also be part of the discussion you have to be part of Patreon. So if you want to find out more about that just go to and you can get in for as little as two bucks a month and

Brad Dahl 1:19:08
Can I just say something about that.

Victor Ruiz 1:19:09

Brad Dahl 1:19:10
For $2 a month you get to hang out with like the coolest people on this planet. I’m not talking about you know, just anywhere the coolest people on this planet. And so so yeah, if you’re even thinking about it, get in there. And if you’re like Oh, I can’t afford $2 a month hit me up. I’ll sponsor you. Okay, unless you’re an a-hole or a party on

Victor Ruiz 1:19:30
There you go. The unless you’re an a-hole. treaty, you have to sign a contract proving that you’re not an a-hole there you go.

Brad Dahl 1:19:41
My contract does not have to be signed blood or stool.

Rob Rowe 1:19:46
Oh Jesus, more shit talk.

Victor Ruiz 1:19:55
In any event,

Brad Dahl 1:19:56
To close it out. Speaking

Victor Ruiz 1:19:57
of poop, I did have a kid cat third study out of that. outbox, I call it I call those kitty Roca. So,

Gabriel Ruiz 1:20:03
oh my god,

Brad Dahl 1:20:05
apparently they taste good. I’m gonna take their word for it. I’m never going to try that one. So

Victor Ruiz 1:20:12
yes, there you go. I did want to bring Rob Rowe backup once again, fashioning the stylish Mars Attacks t-shirt tonight. Also, for being a Patron, depending on the tier that you do choose, you could get something as magnificent as that. So, anyway, I want to thank you guys. Once again, we are wrapping the show up for those that want to hang out in the green Green Room afterwards. You can for those that are online, again, you got to be a Patron to hang out in the after party afterwards.

Rob Rowe 1:20:55
Real quick,

Victor Ruiz 1:20:57

Rob Rowe 1:20:58
I became a $10 Patreon.

Victor Ruiz 1:21:01

Rob Rowe 1:21:02
I do want to plug my shit if you don’t mind.

Victor Ruiz 1:21:05
Plug your shit my friend.

Rob Rowe 1:21:07
All right.

Steve Hoelker 1:21:08
More shit talk.

Rob Rowe 1:21:09
Or shit talk yeah with Brad. But anyways, if you want to check us out, you know, go into Facebook. And look up. Search The Rock And Row Podcast. Like the page. Don’t like Oh,

Victor Ruiz 1:21:30
oh, no. Cut out.

Brad Dahl 1:21:35
I’m sure you had nothing to do with that Victor.

Victor Ruiz 1:21:37
No, I did not.

Rob Rowe 1:21:39
That’s on my end. We had so many storms. But anyways, real quick. If you want to check us out, go to The Rock And Rowe podcast. That’s R O W E on Facebook. Like it follow it. Whatever. You’ll get a notification when we go on live. Sometimes it’s sporadic but real soon it will be every Thursday at eight o’clock central time.

Victor Ruiz 1:22:04
Awesome. We will have that in the show notes. So that everyone that checks this episode out can go directly to it. Brad has Yarg Metal,

Rob Rowe 1:22:14
I appreciate it man. I appreciate it.

Victor Ruiz 1:22:16
Yeah, no problem. Brad has yard metal yard metal comm Anyone else want to plug anything before we wrap things up?

Steve Hoelker 1:22:25
I got nothing.

Gabriel Ruiz 1:22:26
Me either.

Victor Ruiz 1:22:29
Alright guys, well, thanks for watching. And being that Rob joined, I had to update the superduper new ending to the show here. So anyway, we will be playing that thanks to anyone who’s watching this live or watches the replay or listens to the replay. Your support is very much appreciated. And for more shit stories come back. Brad back on. filling us in on the latest high jinks out there in Utah.

Rob Rowe 1:23:14
Yeah, next thing you know, he’s goin to bring a Porta Potty on board.

Victor Ruiz 1:23:22
Green Screen a porta potti behind him. Alright guys, so that is it. Thanks for watching and we’ll see you next time right here on the Signals From Mars live stream brought to you by the Mars Attacks Podcast. See ya

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