BRAD DAHL OF YARG METAL IS BACK!
This week’s episode of the Mars Attacks Podcast features the return of Brad Dahl of Yarg Metal. During the episode, we discuss bands people love, that we don’t!
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Welcome, everyone, to the Friday, July 30th edition of the Signals from Mars Live Stream brought to you by the Mars Attacks podcast and by VMRIT.com We are joined once again by Mr.
Dahl sporting his Mars Attacks T-shirt.
Yeah, it’s a beauty. You know how you guys can get one of these. Join on Patreon and join Victor and Patreon in, what, ten bucks? Is that where we’re getting the shirt? 10 bucks?
This is money well spent. Now you’re probably wondering why I’m wearing this. OK. So I had to go into work today for for just a little while. That turned into longer than that. And I get there and it’s like, oh, guess what?
Everybody has to wear masks now. Screw that. So, yeah, that’s the way the world’s going over here. We’re now remasking. Yeah, it’s awesome. So hope everybody’s doing well.
Shouldn’t shouldn’t that have a B instead of an L.A. on that mask?
Ba, ba, ba, ba.
No, just to be just a B.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Why not? For for Brad.
you don’t understand.
You’re not getting my OK.
don’t clue me in.
Were’s the team originally from?
Oh, duh. Yeah, from the yeah. From there in New York, New York and New York. Yeah, New York, where Kiss came from, right? Brooklyn. There you go. Is that where kiss came from
not there all from all over Ace is from Brooklyn.
Okay, we’ll give Ace credit.
Is he from Brooklyn or the Bronx?
He’s from the Bronx. What’s that song on his last one? Bronx.
Bronx boy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you’re right.
Written by my friend Ron Mancuso. OK, so I did a one of the very first interviews I ever did and posted on YouTube was with Ron and did that in his studio in Las Vegas, which
was way cool. Super cool. Dude, you guys should check that out. He’s got a great history. So there’s my plug. So go to Yarg Metal on YouTube and check that out. It’s way long, but it’s way cool. So.
So they’re sorry about that, Victor.
No, that’s that’s fine. Hey, that’s what we’re here
for, to turn
people on to what you’re doing. And, you know, if we can at least get one person to go over to Yarg
and I think we’ve accomplished our task.
That would be awesome, because I’d love some feedback from anybody who who listens in I mean, you know, ghost listeners, OK? But it’s always nice to have somebody say, you know, I didn’t like this or I like this or whatever, because how else?
You know, I mean,
I’m not doing this to please everybody, obviously, because that would be the point of that.
Yeah, we’d be like a terrestrial radio if we were trying to please everybody.
Yeah. Playing the same 20 songs over and over again. I remember when I moved over here, we had a. And this is funny because someone asked me about this a little earlier this week with all the people passing away.
One of the first CDs that I bought when I came over here was the third Slipknot CD, which at the time we had like a kind of like an underground station that would play a very eclectic mix. And it would be
everything except for
what you would hear on terrestrial radio. So you would hear
German techno music and you’d hear country music and you’d hear folklore and then you’d hear Slipknot. All of a sudden it’s like, whoa, where did this come from? That station, unfortunately, became a rock station called Rock FM. I was like, wow, cool.
So we’re finally going to get a rock station that’s going to be playing 24 hours a day. We’re going to be getting some cool music and they kick it off with Smoke On The Water, followed by Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones, followed by Enter Sandman, by Metallica,
by Foxy Lady, by, you know, Jimi
by Comfortably Numb Stairway to Heaven.
It’s like, oh, OK.
So all the songs that turn me away from terrestrial radio in the States are now going to be on 24 hours a day here.
Great. You know.
Yeah. And of course, that’s our that’s our mantra is, you know, you’re going to hear stuff, you know, here and there. But most of it is new music or bands maybe you’re not familiar with, maybe older stuff,
but things you
missed along the way. So we’re trying to fill that gap of educating people to other things they might not know about in the music world that we think are cool. So therefore they are cool. So if they’re not, let us know.
Of course, there’s Meshuggah, which I still can’t. I don’t know. What’s your take on Meshuggah?
I’ve seen them live, actually.
And people going nuts, right?
Yeah, I’ve seen them.
Yeah. Yes. But I mean,
there’s a song of theirs called Bleed, which I think is really, really cool. But, you know, the rest of their music kind of just bleeds into that for lack of, you know, you know, pardon the pun or whatever the cliche is.
But they’re super talented.
But to me, a lot of their
stuff just sounds very similar.
Yeah, it’s I mean, musically, I appreciate what they’re doing. I mean, it’s incredibly difficult, all the stuff that’s going on in their music. But as far as listening to and
I haven’t I haven’t reached that point yet. And of course, the vocals really help for me either, because I that’s just not my thing. Which, by the way. Hello, Jose. Good to see you here. And Rob, good to see you here as well.
And thank you for the comment about Yarg. So appreciate that. Yeah, so but anyway, so let me tell you the story of how we we got them on Yarg metal.
Dave was flying to Stockholm being the big CEO that he is.
And notice these guys that look like they were in a band and it was Meshuggah and they were coming back, I think, from Australia. You could probably
chime in if he you know, he
supposedly watching. He’s probably watching the one that was from last week, though, knowing him. Bless his heart. I love my brother and he’s the best. But anyway, so he sees these guys and him, you know, unlike me, I would be kind of shy about going up and talking to people, you know, kind of I like giving people
their space, you know. But he was he was up in em. Who are you guys? Oh we’re Messhugah. Oh, cool. Hey, you know, I got a radio station. Need you guys do a shout out? So they did.
They did a you know, the singer did that a shout out for us. And so, yeah. So I’m like, holy crap. I don’t know. I don’t know their music like really know it. And so I’m not going to just throw a dart at the wall and and pick some songs.
So I asked the the what I consider the foremost Messugah expert, and that’s Brian Beller, bass player to the stars who plays bass in Dethklok. So, I mean, you know, he’s he’s serious metal cred and plus just unbelievable bass player.
So he sent it he sent me a list of songs. He’s like, oh, this is and of course, he he like he’s such a cool dude. He went deep, dive on each one, explaining why it was cool. And of course, as I listened to him like.
You get you’re making me feel like a five year old here, like this music is going way over my head. I mean, you’re breaking this down. And so we’ll dig this section where they’re doing 13, you know?
And then the drummer’s doing this and. Oh, yeah. So there you go. Yeah, that’s my take on Meshuggah. Either acquired taste. I’m sure there’s people that really like them and we still do play them once in a while.
And I’m going to check out that Bleed song and I’m going to dedicate that you, Victor, when I play it.
See, one of the pluses to
the high school band was learning about 13/8 time and 16/11 and and stuff like that
you know, before all these bands started making it popular. You know, Jimmy Page, did a lot of this stuff.
But yeah, you just didn’t notice it.
You just didn’t notice it as much. Where when you got to like Soundgarden. I think Soundgarden is really the band that kind of like really started to push the the odd time signatures. And then you started to see it a lot like a Mastodon and Meshuggah and Tool and and a lot of these bands
with, you know, a lot of
prog like influences and also a lot of, you know, Zeppelin like influences, because a lot of people. You know, for far as much as people beg for Mastodon to go back to, you know, the heaviness that they initially had.
I mean, they’ve said they’ve always said, you know, we grew up on Zeppelin and AC DC and, you know, Thin Lizzy and stuff like that. So their influences are really in 70s Hard Rock, where bands are doing a lot of this stuff just kind of by accident.
You know, it wasn’t purposely done. It just kind of sounded cool.
And they they went with it
as opposed to, you know, just being a calculated measure where you had to have. Oh, well, let’s just let’s throw in this part that’s, you know, 13/8 and, you know, whatever. And it’s, you know, just because it’s cool, because everyone else is doing it now.
You know, Jimmy Page is doing the. Open chord tuning and those weird time signatures, you know, because he was finding them in other forms of music, in Arabic music and in, you know, old folk music and stuff like that, so.
Yeah. Yeah. Mastodon is a band that I really want to like, OK. And I listen to him and I’m just like, it’s just not it’s not like it’s not hitting me, you know what I mean? As far as it’s not like, oh, man, I want to hear that song again or it’s like really just groove into this
And I actually did see them live once they were warming up for Dethklok. And and luckily, I was a guest of Dethklok at that show. And I was like,
you know, these
guys, they’re such cool guys. Really, really nice guys. Super, super nice guys. They’re all really good players. But I mean, they’re just standing there and they’re just and they played one song for and for the encore that was kind of a really heavy, almost Sabbath kind of song.
I don’t know what it was, but it was just like I was like that I can get behind.
I have to do similar to what I did for Jeremy, where I sent him a Danko Jones playlist, I have to send you a Mastodon playlist.
The kind that I know that
you’ll probably kind of dig Jose’s brother got to see them open for Metallica. And I remember he was telling, yeah, I’m going to go see Metallica play. And I think it was in Puerto Rico and is like this band Mastodon is opening up for them.
Do you know them? I’m like, yeah. And he was he came back from the show and he’s like, oh, my God, they blew me away. You know, their drummer was just so good.
And he’s saying a lot
of the stuff. And I said, yeah, they all sing except for the one guitarist, except for Bill Kelliher,
who just kind
of grunts every now and then. But for the most part,
you know, it’s it’s the
three of them that are singing. The bass player, Troy Sanders. Yeah, he’s last year, I said he was like the MVP of last year because he did the Kill Or Be Killed project, which is him and Greg Pucciato from he used to be in Dillinger Escape Plan, who’s like close.
He’s from close to where I grew up in New Jersey. Max Cavalera
from Sepultura is
in that band. And the drummer, dammit, I forget the drummer’s name right now, but he was also in you know, he was also in another like pretty known band. And the first album was kind
of OK, you know, it was a supergroup.
But last the last album they put out was really like a group effort. So it really, you know, there’s a lot of really strong material on that. And that was, I think up on Patreon may have been the first like album of the week unboxing that I
did with their vinyl,
but it’s still an album that I go back to. You know, a lot of times you listen to stuff when it comes out and yeah, it’s really cool, but like a year later, you kind of forget about
it, you know,
because it you know, you kind of go back to the stuff that you’ve always listened to, you know, and you pepper in some some stuff. You think that’s on par. And this stuff, you know, I was listening to a playlist from last year and I was definitely like, oh, well, you know, I this album, you know, I’m
glad I’m listening to this playlist because I really enjoyed like really half of that album was really outstanding.
So let me some songs, man. I’m like I said, I’ve tried desperately to really like these guys because I like what they’re all about as far as human beings. And of course, they’re younger guys playing rock and, you know, metal and.
Yeah, but so far it’s just I haven’t heard a lot that really moved me. So,
I’m down to try. I really I’m really, really, really up for that.
So, yeah, I’ll
definitely do that. That could fall along the lines of some of the stuff that we were talking about off air. You know, bands that are really big that you can’t seem to get into. You know, it was funny because you brought that up.
And there’s. There are a few different things, either bands that are big that I you know, and I instantly think of Metallica when I think of that, because for the longest time, I couldn’t get into them just because of nonsense of being kids and growing up.
And we talked about this last week, how there was this whole
oh well if you like, Anthrax
and Megadeth, you can’t like Metallica and Slayer, just like nonsense like that. And then I remember when the Black Album came out and all of those, like supposed die hards started breaking their ankles, jumping off the bandwagon. It changed.
And I was like, oh, OK. So since you assholes no longer like this, I’m actually going to check it out. And I actually enjoyed it, you know, and I went back and, you know, there were albums that obviously I enjoy more than others.
There are other bands that are huge now that maybe I really liked before that. For me, I lost interest in them. Volbeat is a band that’s super big right now. And I really like. At least the first two albums that I checked out by them, I think they may have albums that came out before that.
But. They’re a band that I lost interest in only because they. You know to me, they kind of went the
route that, you know, kind of
a commercial route, they started putting out stuff that didn’t. Kind of appeal to me. Yeah, so I got into them, their third album in their third and fourth album, my two favorite albums. And then after that, I’ve I lost all interest to them because to me, the stuff that I started listening to them early on was like
a cross between, you know, a Black Album, Metallica and like Misfits and maybe even like. What’s the band that Mike Ness is in, Social
Distortion type stuff?
So it was kind of like a cross between all three. And I was like, all right, I can I can dig this. But then after that, they started getting like a little too polished and a little bit too commercial for me.
The one band that really sticks out that so many people like and that I just can’t get into. And again, I like the first few songs that I heard from them, but. It was funny, I will I will always
back, and it was September of 09, and I remember this because I was on my honeymoon. I had preordered three albums and we were in L.A..
And the three albums
were Ace Frehley’s
It was an album by Shadows Fall, which has the badge on it.
I don’t remember
the name off the top of my head. I know that they covered bark at the moon on that. And then the third album that I preordered was the second album by Five Finger Death Punch. And. I remember listening to that.
We were on our honeymoon, we’re driving around L.A. and I was there were like four songs before the end of the album, and my wife is usually pretty pretty good about, you know. Just hanging in there with stuff, unless it just really like there’s certain hair metal stuff that she can’t listen to, like she’s just not into
it. But we were listening to that five finger Death Punch album, and she goes, please turn this off, please put something else on. She goes, Not only is this boring me, but it is bad. And I said to her, I said, look, there’s three songs until the end.
I just want to get through the album. Once after that, I promise we can put whatever else you want out.
But just let
me just see if there’s anything worth listening to
out of the, you know, from these last three
songs. Unfortunately, there wasn’t.
So you made it through the whole album?
I made it through the album. I’ve made it through that whole album twice.
And I’ve never
been interested in anything else that they’ve ever released.
You’re a trooper. I have a lot of respect for that, not just like, you know, trashing it with one song or even one lesson. You even went back and listened to it a second time, right? Yeah. And a lot of respect for that.
So, you know, it’s funny you
and I know, of course, I’ve
told my story about what the first time I saw Metallica before they were signed. And I don’t know if that kind of tainted me a little bit, because they’re just like and then they kind of you know, as they started coming out, I kind of felt like they were rammed down my throat almost, you know, at least
here, because all the anytime there, there were very little there wasn’t like a metal radio station back then, but there were like a Sunday night. There’d be, you know, like the metal hour or whatever. And yeah, of course, they’d they’d just start they’d play Metallica.
And then right after that, when they started kind of breaking, every radio station had mandatory Metallica.
Every night they play an
hour of Metallica
and they’re just like, you know what? I don’t know. They don’t need my help. I I saw I saw them warm up for Ozzy. It was the right, I think was the first might have been the first metal show.
I took my wife to Shelley. OK, metal was not her thing. When we got married. OK. And it’s just for whatever reason, maybe because nobody likes me. I didn’t have anybody to go with me. And so she’s like, I’ll go with you.
And Metallica was the warmup band. And I don’t know what album they were touring back then, but it was before it might have been Master of Puppets.
It was Master of Puppets.
Yeah, because I’m
Bark At The Moon, Master Of Puppets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was just like, yeah, this ain’t this ain’t doing it for me. And then then what happened there? I think Ozzy was sick.
And so it was was a jack. What’s his
name? While Zakk Wylde, Zach Wylde kind of covered for Ozzy quite a bit and did like this 20 minute guitar solo, which was I’m going to sarcasticly say.
It would have been Jake at that time.
No not Jake. No, it wasn’t, Jake, I swear to you, it wasn’t Jake.
I would have loved that, actually. Yeah, those were pretty
I don’t think Metallica ever opened up for Ozzy again after that.
OK. I could have sworn it was Zakk, but I could, you know, I’m old, OK, things. I mean, we’re not we’re back at, what, 30 plus years ago, 83 years or something. But I know Metallica was there, OK?
And I’m pretty sure it was Ozzy. But the next time we saw him was on the Monsters of Rock.
We drove to
Spokane or as Klaus liked to say Spokane. Spokane.
Which they were the second band to play I was Kingdom Come that came on 1st, which actually I thought they were enjoyable. You know, they did like a half hour set, which is perfect. And then Metallica came on and we were at the time, it was hotter and hell’s like the hottest day ever in Spokane.
It was 100 something degrees. We we we got milk jugs and fill them up with water and froze em thinking we’ll have water, OK? They wouldn’t let him bring let us bring them in. They got no water. So we climbed up in the bleachers and underneath the you know, where the broadcasters sit right in the shade.
So we sat there in the shade and kind of took in the first few bands. And I got to say, we actually enjoyed Metallica there in that kind of setting. It was pretty good. We were we were both singing along with Seek And Destroy at the end of their set.
So I you know,
I mean, yeah, that was right before. And Justice For
All that tour. Yeah.
Yeah. They had their charm. I think that’s the last time I’ve I’ve seen
them live, because then they
became headliners after that.
Right. Yeah, yeah. Right, right. On that tour they became headliners. I’ve I’ve seen them twice. I saw them
96 and I got to see them also here in Spain, headlining a Sonisphere where they played. It was the 25th anniversary
of the Black Album.
So since it’s going to be 30 now, that was five years ago, maybe is the 20th anniversary. Yeah, I think it was the 20th anniversary, because
I’m trying to think that it was, yeah, probably
2011. That I saw them. And that was, you know, they played the Black Album in its entirety when I saw them.
Yeah, I have to give them major credit, though, because look what they’ve done.
No, they came from. Yeah. Well, of course, everybody starts from nothing,
but they’re they’re arguably
the biggest rock band in the world. And also, they did it kind of on their terms. I mean, once they had the Black Album, they kind of did whatever the hell they wanted and did a lot of albums that their fans didn’t like.
And but yet everybody still went
Yeah. They kept on the upward trajectory where they’re still playing stadiums and and big arenas and headlining. And they never went through a period where people, you know, people maybe stopped buying the
album, but they didn’t
stop going to see them.
And to their credit, to the die hards have still, even if they haven’t like their stuff, they’ve they’ve still purchased it. I mean, after. I know a lot of people point towards certain albums, but to me, there’s two albums that I can’t listen to buy them.
One of them is that first S&M album, the with the orchestra.
Because it just sounds like you’re listening to two different things at the same time.
You know, the one thing is
having the orchestra complement the music. And another thing is just having the orchestra play something so radically different that it’s like, OK, it’s as if I’m listening to Metallica in one ear and I’m listening to a completely different band than the other ear.
That, to me was just I couldn’t listen to it. And the other one is the Lulu. Lulu is the only other album that I just can’t stomach. And I’ve said this, you know, similar to what he said about Five Finger Death Punch.
I’ve tried to listen to that album, you know, more than once. I’ve gotten through it all the way through it, I think, twice.
And I’ve tried to listen to
it on four occasions and be like, OK, well, is this the time it’s going to click? But every time I get to Lou Reed saying Spermless like a girl for seven minutes, it’s like, OK, I’m done, done.
Then this idea
going to get
So the and the the funny thing is, a lot of the music is really cool. But, you know, you start to hear Lou Reed just like yammering about nonsense. It’s like, oh, you know, this is no wonder they use this shit, you know, to to to to force people out of houses when when they want to arrest them
You know, it isn’t
the good stuff. It’s it’s always the, you know, the shit stuff that no one wants to listen to that, you know, please come out with your hands up. If not, we’re going to play Lulu for the next 16 hours until you give up.
And it’s like 40 minutes in. All right. I’m done. I give up.
No guy. Yeah. I got to tell you a quick story along those lines before we go on this with this thread band I was in in the 80s, the one that was, you know, trying to make it.
And, you know, we
were, you know, desperately trying to get our live game together for a showcase. And we’re just you know what? Well, you know what? It’s like you play in a room with a bunch of guys, okay. And everything. The sound is all right there and everything’s great.
Then you get on a big stage and the sound is gone and you’re at the mercy of whatever the monitor guy’s giving you. And it’s really tough to
get up there and put on a show
when you can’t hear what you want to hear or it doesn’t sound big. You know, it’s just like, oh. So anyway, we got this brilliant idea. We rented out this huge warehouse on the west side of Salt Lake City and met this guy.
And he’s like, yeah, you know, he used it for, you know, he rented people storing stuff like RVs
and boats and things
like that. So it was huge. But he says, yeah, you know, you guys can can rent it for me and use it for rehearsal. And so we set up this huge big
and got used to having lots of room, you know, PA you know, way out and everything. And and then every Friday and Saturday night, we’d open up the doors and let people in, you know, just like for free.
Now, like anybody wants to come down a party with us, we’re going to do, you
know, to our set.
And it was pretty cool but, every so often because it was on the west side of Salt Lake. Homeless people would come in and which is which is fine, OK?
But, you know,
getting them to leave was the problem.
I remember one night we were getting ready to leave. And right by the door where you came in, there was an office. I looked in there and I saw these legs.
And I’m like, what the hell is there a dead guy in there? So we were walking in there. It was this homeless guy that came in and he’s gone to sleep. So like, dude, you know, sorry, man, we’re leaving and we’re locking up.
You got to get out of here. You got to leave.
And he wouldn’t
he would not flinch or anything. And he was alive, you know.
I did check that, you know. Oh, yeah. He’s got
a pulse. I’m a doctor. Right. And make sure he’s alive. So we got the idea, hey, you know, let’s get the guitar player and his marshal. Bring it over here. Set it right up next to the dude and crank it, I mean, all the way.
And he started playing and I can’t remember what he was playing. He was a real metal dude. And that guy was out of there so fast. It was it was it was a thing of beauty. It was fantastic.
Yeah. Music. Music moves people
literally. Yeah. There you go. That’s funny that you bring that up. I you know, I play with a Misfits tribute band like once a year. We usually do it like around Halloween. And there have been other years where we’ve been invited to.
We played like a small festival here and we played like an awards show. And it’s funny, you know, the sound guy.
Do you want to hear yourself?
Yeah, that would be kind of good. I’d really like to hear what I sound like. Well, but you’re playing the drums and I still want to hear myself mixed in with the other stuff.
And do you want to
hear the singer? Yeah. Do you want to hear the bass? Yeah. Would you like to hear the guitar would be nice as well. Can I hear everyone? Oh, you know, some people don’t want to hear everyone. I said, well, I would like to hear the entire band as if I’m, you know, rehearsing in a
where I hear everyone, you know, I
want to know kind of
whether we’re on a big stage or not. I want to hear the sound like I’m used to hearing it. And then the kicker
is always, oh, well, you
sing, too. Yes, I do, backing vocals. Do you want your mic? You want people to hear your mic? Yeah. If I have a mic would be nice, you know.
So, by the way, the Facebook user, I don’t know who that is, but it’s somebody that obviously knows my shtick.
Yes. Well, I posted that.
I don’t I don’t know if that Steve Hoeker or maybe because he responded to it on Twitter. Unfortunately, unless you give the
this, if I can find the
caption here, unless
you can, you give. Here we go. Facebook, if you’re on Facebook, use this link so that we can see who you are, because if not, it blocks us from seeing. Yeah, so it is Steve Hoeker
Oh, yeah, I love Steve. And he’s such a great guy. I love when you had him on the show just listening to him. He was just I love his self-deprecating humor.
Well, I want to party with me.
I’m just saying that, Steve. Next time in New Jersey.
Want to party with you.
Well, you weren’t too far from him, Mount Olive isn’t that far from Roxbury. I mean, technically, I think it’s part
of the same municipality.
Could be wrong. But anyway, so it’s funny. I’m you know, the new thing with with search engine optimization and getting the page ranks and everything
transcribing your interviews. So I’ve been trying a lot of different software these last few days to transcribe the videos. And so I did you know, I went all the way through and did the transcription of last week’s episode.
It’s actually up on MarsAttacksRadio.com. If you look for this week’s episode, there’s a like plus button that you can check and then the entire conversation opens up all 13000 words. And it’s funny because, you know, towards the end, you know, it was almost like a fireworks display.
You know, we were getting a lot of the oohs and ahs throughout. But then towards the end of the episode, one one were quick to wrap up as the various stories start flying in. And and Steve was very quick witted with a lot of his responses and things as well.
So it was a lot of fun to translate, you know, to transcribe the stuff.
And I was
laughing wholeheartedly throughout. And especially that
is going to die, but not from that. When I read that, I mean, I think there was an audible you know, I think my whole neighborhood heard me laugh so often.
Yeah. My other one is you know And you get these guys, they call up and say, well, you know, my buddy just set up a bunch of heroin. And, you know, it’s like, what can I do as a we can call nine one one.
Well, I want to do that. And I said, well, does he owe you money? Because you might want to be, you know, keep him alive if at least if he owes you money. It’s like how good a friend is this guy?
You know, like, geez, saved saved your friend’s ass. Come on.
Yeah. I’ve said a lot of things I probably shouldn’t have said to people, but somehow I survived a lot of visits to H.R.. And running out of time, you know, my dream of being put on paid administrative leave.
This just never happened. I just can’t quite figure out how to pull that off. And I’ve said many things I shouldn’t have said. So there you go.
They must really love you.
I know what’s up with that.
All right. So Metallica, what was
the what was it?
We went Metallica m. Oh, OK. I’m going to throw a band out there.
And this is another well-beloved band, one of those that probably sold more T-shirts than albums. And that’s Motorhead.
The first time I saw Motorhead, it was before I even knew who the heck they were.
It was after the Ace of Spades album and they were warming up. I don’t know if they were warming up for Sabbath or Ozzy. It was one of them.
And and yeah, you guys could probably figure that out.
And of course, these guys come on. And, you know, first of all, the mike, you know, hanging down and Lemmy doing his thing and just standing there, and it was just noise. It was just. Unadulterated noise,
Holy crap, no,
these guys, nobody’s ever going to want to buy these guys album, nobody’s ever going to be interested in these guys. And I was wrong.
I was I was
so wrong that.
Yeah, and I’m still I mean, I do like some of their songs. I’ve played a few of their songs, which are actually quite fun to play.
but I can’t
like say I’m going to sit down and just listen to Motorhead. It just it’s I don’t know, man. Again, it’s not it’s not speaking in my heart. And again, I have a lot of respect for what they did.
Again, they did it. Lemmy did it his way. I mean, he I guess people would argue, oh, you know, that one album, he tried to be more commercial and it’s like really,
commercial. I don’t think so. You know, maybe from what they had been doing, which, again, it goes back to something you talked about before, and that’s bands that do the same album over and over. It’s like, well, hey, let’s let’s make a different album.
This is what we’re feeling right now. So let’s do this. And, you know, then a band does that in areas like, oh, you know, they changed and I don’t like what they’re doing. I want them to sound like Motorhead.
Well, as Motorhead never, ever sounded not sounded like Motorhead. Boy, that was a tough thing.
Well, I will
say that they. And I’ve gotten into arguments with people over this, but during the 90s, they really
did try dabbling
in other things, and Mark actually interviewed Mikkey Dee and they talked about the Overnight Sensation album. And Overnight Sensation was heavily influenced by the music that was going on at that time, because, you know, they really had a lot of like they they were down tuning a little or they started to down tune because later they down
tuned on pretty much everything because Lemmy couldn’t bring his voice up. But it was more in the times of what was going on in the 90s. And they were adding like acoustic guitars to things and not in like a blues way, which they had done, but more of like.
Almost adding acoustic guitars, because a lot of the, you know, grungy like bands were adding this element to some of their their music. I do think that, you know, a lot of the bands that were saying that they were influenced by Motorhead were inadvertently influencing them, you know, where it was like, OK, since they’re namedropping us, you
know, OK, so it’s fine for us to actually pull in some of what they’re doing. I mean, there are certain Motorhead albums that I really, really like. The 1916 album I Will Always Love. I will remember that album coming out.
And Gabriel, who was with us last week, I remember boarding an airplane to come over to Spain for the summer. And, you know, music was a big thing for us always, you know, and it was like, oh, what can we turn to each other on to?
And you know who he got on the plane. And we were I remember MTV was playing videos of songs that we hadn’t heard of theirs because they were off of this album. And he had it on cassette, so it was like, OK, well, halfway through the six hour flight over here, here it’s your turn to listen to
it, you know? And I was like, oh, my God, this isn’t you know, it isn’t only Ace Of Spades. You know, there’s a lot of other cool stuff that’s going on here. To me, 1916 is my favorite album by there by them because of that emotional connection.
But also, I think it’s the most probably diverse album
probably the most polished song wise from beginning to end, where you get to a lot of their other albums. It’s like,
OK, there’s like two cool
songs and the rest are just kind of filler. But that album, you know, the ten songs or 12 songs that are on there I think are all pretty good. So, um,
but but I get it, you know, they’re they’re they’re an acquired
taste. You know, I remember seeing them for the first time and seeing them do the song Overkill. I think it was it was before there was Headbanger’s Ball on MTV and it was Dee Snider and Metal Mania where he had that, you know, where he did like one Saturday a month.
It was just metal videos. It was hosted by Dee and he had Lemmy on. And, you know, I didn’t get it, you know, the same thing you said, why the hell does this guy got the mic up in the air.
Why does his voice sound like that was? You know, I’m used to I’m used to hearing, you know, clean singing. I’m used to hearing Kiss. I’m used to hearing Motley Crue and things like that and Quiet Riot and, you know, what’s what’s this all about?
And little did I know that a few years later, you know, I would end up really loving it, so. Yeah, well, I, I got to see them live once. And I could I can say that it was close to the end of their career.
So the show wasn’t that great. But I’ll I can still say that I got to see them.
That’s cool. OK, so here’s my assignment for anybody who’s willing to jump in on this. And this goes for you, too, Victor. I want five songs, five Motorhead songs that we should be playing on Yarg Metal
Just make a list. And send it to me,
don’t you don’t don’t do it right now.
to think about it.
Yeah, cool. Well bring it.
I’m up for it because I want to be educated and yeah, maybe I need to start with easy to chew food. Yeah. The last time I saw Motorhead was when they were touring. It was the very last tour and Saxon was warming up for them and they played here.
And of course, they didn’t make it through. They made it through four songs before
Lemmy just couldn’t do
it anymore. It was tough. The but, you know, after Saxon and those guys came on and it was funny because during the fourth song, I said, you know what, it’s not I don’t know where it’s going
from this, but I got to go
home. I got to work in the morning. So I
and then found out that that was their last song of the night. And they beat the crowd and the whole thing. And I’m not usually that guy. I’m kind of like committed when I go to something, I stay to the end.
I rarely will leave early.
So so anyway, but,
you know, they were trying you know,
they were up there, they were up there jamming and yeah, I have nothing but respect for them, but I still felt as I was standing in line looking at all the Motorhead shirts, I’m like, OK, how many albums do you own by these guys?
OK, are you here just because it’s
Motorhead or are
you like a real fan? Are you going to like. No. No. The setlist and all that kind of stuff. And if
you are, I have mad
respect for you. So yeah.
Yeah, I actually got to see them with Saxon and with Judas Priest. So it was Motorhead Saxon and no it was Saxon and Motorhead and then
warmed up and. Sure.
The big eye catcher at that show. And I’ll always say this. They were selling $85 tie dye t shirts of all three bands and not $85 together it was $85 apiece.
and I was thinking.
Who the hell is going to buy one of these shirts?
And it’s a
limited edition, No. Two are tied, dyed, you know, together. And I’m thinking, you know, not for nothing. But as a kid, when my mom would get bleach on a sweatshirt by mistake, we would purposely tie dyed this stuff so that the pattern kind of looked like it was done on purpose.
Not that, you know, the bleach
kind of splashed on the shirt by mistake.
So, yeah, bleach bleach can wreck things faster than pretty much any other household chemical. So that’s that’s the by the way, that’s the most panicked call we get at the poison control center. Everybody thinks when so many drinks bleach, they’re going to die.
And of course, yes, they
will, but not from that. I mean, even the 911 operatives, it’s hilarious because they’ll be like, yeah, I mean, it’s because they’re supposed to transfer the call to us and then we tell them whether they need to go out there or not.
And so they’ll say, I’ve got a kid here that drank bleach and we already have a unit in route. OK. Are they all right? And of course they are. I mean, I had one mom that all she could say to me when I said, how is your child doing?
All she could say was he’s going down, he’s going down. Kind of like I don’t you know, I don’t even know what the hell that means. I said, is he breathing? Is he throwing up? What’s going on? He’s going down.
He’s going down. And then all of a sudden I hear the, you know, you know, on the door. And it’s the it’s
paramedics. And so I said one of them on the phone, they come in. I said, so tell me what’s going on. Can you see the kid? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What’s he doing while he’s sitting there playing with toys?
Does he seem
to be OK? Yeah, he seems totally fine. So OK. Great. Thank you. Well, they said something is wrong with mom that. Yeah, she has to go to the hospital.
Well, so let’s let’s be honest. What’s used to clean most water and pools and things like that.
Chlorine, bleach, chlorine,
you know, that’s a big component. You know, Clorox
bleach, all this
stuff is a huge component of what you drink every day. So unless you’re drinking water like a five gallon barrel of bleach. You know, you’re probably going to be OK.
Yeah. No. Yeah, there’s I’ve only seen I think now as far as published cases, three people have ever died from drinking bleach and they all drank a gallon and somehow we’re able to keep it down. And they actually died from the sodium content of it, they got it from the.
And so their brain
swelled up and had
to do a lot of swelling swell up to the point where it just couldn’t function anymore and they died. The interesting thing was two of those cases were in Kentucky. And the weird thing is none. They weren’t like related cases.
It wasn’t like two drinking buddies sitting around drinking bleach. You know, but of course, in Kentucky, they probably were related, so. Yeah.
So, Bill, Bob, how about we take some shots of that bleach?
Yeah. Yeah. Well, now we’re getting off on a real tangent. But so ineffably, like who’s Wild SMW?
That’s that’s that’s Steve
he’s he’s trying to mess with us. He started out Facebook on YouTube.
they’ll be on Twitch
But OK. Yeah, I drink Windex. It keeps me from streaking.
That’s a good one. That’s a really good one.
It also keeps you nice and shiny and new as well.
Just like Madonna.
Yeah. And I have to say, you know, and I
100 percent respect Steve’s love, her Twisted Sister. But that’s another band that when they first came out, I would just and the first time I saw them, they were headlining a show with it was them Y&T played before them.
And then Dokken played warmed up the whole thing and they were on the Tooth And Nail tour.
Yeah, I was I was actually one of the topics I was going to throw out there was witnessed what we call Spinal Tap moments.
Well, during that Dokken show, that’s this is there were two things that happened. One was George’s guitar went totally out of the way, and it was during Tooth And Nail right at the lead. So but, you know, I got to give him full credit maybe on stage.
He still had it in the monitors and sounded great. But that dude, man, he played every frickin note and he rocked it. And I was like, these guys, these guys are the real deal. Back then, Don could sing and Don was just singing his ass off.
But the second funniest thing that happened was during I think, it’s Into The Fire.
Now, for whatever reason, Jeff Pilson felt the need to do keyboards on the second verse.
Which to me is just like you don’t need that.
Nobody nobody needs keyboards in this song. OK.
But anyway, so what he did
was, you know, that keyboard over there and he went over to play keyboards and he didn’t turn down the volume knob on his bass. So as soon as he took his hands off his bass and started playing the keyboards, the bass started feeding back.
So then he was caught between, you know, trying to play the keyboards, turn the bass down, and he couldn’t quite figure out what to do with what. And it was just a I felt I felt for him
it could get volume down on the
Just the sound guy, of course, isn’t helping out because they’re not paying attention. But that’s another one of my biggest beefs about concerts is the sound guys that just have no idea what the hell is going on, on stage, what the music’s supposed to sound like.
And especially if it’s their sound guy, that’s just it’s ridiculous. Yeah, there was this this year’s M3 was probably the worst sound. Well, I’ve only been three of it’s definitely the worst sound I’ve ever heard in that
venue was awful.
It was just unbelievably awful. And I actually, you know, and I love it. I know soundmen love it when people come over and try to give them tips.
So, of course I did. And I just said,
hey, who’s running? It was the third day
and it was
L.A. guns, Steve Riley’s L.A. guns. It was playing and they sounded great. I mean, it was just like, holy crap. So I figured I had to tell somebody. So I went up to the soundboard as a dude
who’s who who’s,
you know, who’s been running the sound for the last couple of days is that this guy guy said no, is that it depends on which band it is. Sometimes these guys have their own guys. And they said, well, whoever’s running the sound right now, awesome.
And whoever has been running the sound.
Not so great, so just throwing that out there. So pick it up,
guys, come on.
Unfortunately, you were probably probably saying that to the guy who was actually not so great and not the.
I try and get the building. I don’t want I don’t want to be a dick, but it’s like, geez, you know, I mean,
I do I don’t get it because I see bands here. Bunch of guys that I talk about from time to time, Angelus Apatrida, Spanish band, they’re on century media. Their sound guy always says hello to me when he sees me.
He’s also their tour manager or has been for the longest time. But they have an application that. They connect to the soundboard, and what this does is it plays a specific it plays specific music, specific talking and different things, and it automatically tunes the board just the knobs
to the to the places
where it needs to be. And if it isn’t a board
that can be automatically
adjusted via this program, at least whoever is running the board, if it’s their manager, he knows where to get the frequencies, where they need to to be. So I don’t understand and especially nowadays, they have programs where
you can just
take a tablet up to the monitor and you don’t even hear the sound, the tablets, you know, from the sound that’s being generated through that monitor to the tablet. The tablet will then tell the person who’s running the sound, OK.
This is what’s being heard. This is what’s not being heard. This is the you know, this is the sweet spot. But I don’t get it why, you know, we don’t care. So let’s see, Steve is saying that Ozzfest, at Giant Stadium Type O Negative, went on first and sounded awesome.
I didn’t think they change the mix until Black Sabbath came on.
OK, so are you saying that Black Sabbath wasn’t good? Their sound wasn’t good.
What wasn’t good about Sabbath was that Ozzy was it was it the entire band? You know, what was going on?
Yeah, I every time I’ve seen Sabbath, their sound has been really good. Yeah, I know like even, you know, Y&T even though they’re clubs act over here, they actually have their own sound guy that travels with them. And because they want to sound good and by golly, they do sound really good.
I’ve heard them in clubs in bigger places. Right. Yeah. This guy, this guy, that’s he nails it and no, they were amazing. Good. Yeah, I. Type O Negative. You’re seeing them, Victor.
I have not.
I saw them warm up for Queensreich on the Promised Land tour.
Yeah. My wife and I, we were in Portugal the day before the show, and it was in Las Vegas. So we flew we flew all the way from Portugal through JFK with like an eight hour layover or whatever.
It took us like almost 24 hours to get
home, get in the car,
drive six hours to Las Vegas, get to the show and. Yeah, Type O Negative. And they were really good. I thought they sounded they sounded good. They played well and.
totally enjoyed them. And then Queensreich, of course, was amazing and still back in that time. So it’s hard to hear Brad, OK. Well, he is that better? Oh, look, it’s the CEO is there. Whoo. Welcome to the show.
Like I thought it said Dave Grohl for a second, and then I really yeah, Dave Dahl
Yeah, he needs to yeah, you need to change that. Whereas as CEO. Dave, come on, Dave. But. That’s awesome. So yeah, so yeah, back anyway, back to the Twisted Sister, so that night and it was probably because, you know, Dokken, Y&T., and then by the time we got the Twisted Sister, I only knew a couple of their
And I mean and
I have mad respect for them. I have mad respect for Dee, especially what he’s doing now. But his shtick on stage just kind of, you know, you can only be sworn at so
much and enjoy it.
And I just I think swearing for the sake of swearing, just as I don’t know, then that’s a whole nother topic on its own. I like when people use it for emphasis. You said something in last week’s Mark Strigl podcast that I actually laughed my ass off because it was something about Covid, but it was just.
And you dropped an F bomb in there. But it was appropriate and it wasn’t. It was just anyway, it was for emphasis and it worked. So that’s the thing. And if. Yeah, I just don’t if you can’t say one sentence without dropping an F bomb, I don’t know.
It’s enough. Enough already. OK, just stop it.
And I really I
really like what is doing now. I really liked his last album. I really liked the live album. And Steve, I don’t know how you’re feeling on it is on this, but I like their version of the Twisted Sister songs better than the Twisted Sister versions.
And is that blasphemy now? Help me out there, Steve. But I’m really anxious to hear these new album.
I listened to it a few times today, actually. I like it. To me, it’s a continuation of the last album.
Yeah. I mean, he wrote he wrote on this one.
Where he didn’t write anything on the last one.
Right. But the last
one, I think the last one when it came out and I posted this today on the site on my new releases, was one of my favorite albums that came out in 2018 And, you know, as as I do what I do with, you know, the the songs and or with the podcasts and everything, I you know, I
make my own 20, you know, best of this year, that year or whatever. And when it came to picking songs off of that album, my twenty eighteen playlist has the entire album with this new album, it’s a similar deal.
I like all the songs so far, and I, I honestly feel that he was so off track for so long, because the last album that I really loved of
his was back in the
90s, was when he had another band called Widowmaker, which had Al Petrelli, who who ended up in Megadeth and Trans-Siberian Orchestra. And the drummer was Joe Franco, who was the second drummer and Twisted Sister. And it was much heavier.
That second album was was really heavy. And that’s what I you know, I wanted him to go back to that. And then we got Dee hits Broadway and these Broadway tunes. Then we got an album after that where it was Dee Snider trying to do.
Avril Lavigne songs, you know, it
was like pop punk
stuff, and it was, you know, it was I, I don’t want this. I want angstfull. Dee I want, you know, what it sounded like to me on those first few Twisted Sister albums and what he sounded like on this Widowmaker album.
And thankfully, you know, these last two solo albums have delivered on that. It’s funny when when For The Love Of Metal came out,
I was reading all these people
saying, where’s the melody? It’s just people screaming. And I’m like, what are you talking about? Are you actually listening to the music?
Because there’s a song like
The Hardest Way, which has Howard Jones doing the the vocals with Dee on it. And he’s got such a monstrous voice. You know, that that that that that song itself, the chorus part, if I listen to it, I have it in my head for like
the next five days,
because it’s just such a huge anthemic song. And, you know, all of these songs that that is done on both of these albums have that anthemic quality. So, I mean, I don’t mind the screaming.
Yeah. That my only problem with the For The Love Of Metal and I actually sent this to Dee is that it should be For The Love of Yarg Metal. Come on, Dee. But yeah, we play I play a lot of songs off that the live album that he put out after that, I bought that with the DVD
. And I
got to say, the show,
even though it’s pieced together with a bunch of different performances, I
kind of like it was
one, you know, you know, one performance,
OK. But I mean, swearing aside,
were all fantastic and his band was fantastic. I was like, right. He did the right thing. He came back with a really good band and he he brought it so. Yeah, well, well, done Dee and sorry, Steve.
I I’m sorry, Steve, I’m reading that, and
all I keep hearing in
my head is if you’re a fan of of The Office, there’s there’s a scene where we’re actually one of the characters say that, how dare you, sir? And it’s actually a clip that we play frequently it at home.
So. So I keep hearing that. But anyway,
it’s the I mean, that sound bite. Okay. Well, and and again, I,
respect for anybody who’s a total fan of a band. I think that’s the that’s that’s what music’s all about. And I think the same thing with pizza. OK, if I ask you what your favorite thing to have on a pizza and you’re like, I don’t care.
Then there’s something wrong with you. Okay. If you don’t care what’s on your pizza, there’s something wrong with you. If it’s like, well, you know, what kind of music do you like? I don’t know. Whatever whatever’s on the radio is good with me.
It’s like there’s something wrong with you. OK, you don’t fit into my my world. I mean, even if you’d like something I don’t
like is if you’re passionate
about it and like it, then I, I have full respect for that.
Let’s let’s not get on the pizza topic because pizza’s horrible here. So. Well well, let me put it to you this way. When Pizza Hut and Domino’s is by far the best stuff you can get. There’s something wrong.
Yeah, I’m with you there, man. I’m 100 percent with you there.
All right, what what
other what other kind of list or thing that we have to send you? What else do you have written down there?
Uh, well, let’s see. Was the other the other band. Well, I was going to mention you mentioned Social
I was actually in a Social Distortion tribute band for a hot minute.
Oh, you were?
We actually played one gig. Yeah, it was called 99 to Life. And of course, we didn’t play that song because why would you play that song?
But I got to say again, because the guitar player and who sang, he was so passionate about it. It made it fun. You know, that’s what made it fun for me. And I like a few other songs. But again, it’s a band that I’m not going to be I’m I’m just not going to be buying the album
and sitting down and go. I want to listen. The Social Distortion for the next hour. It just yeah, it’s just not my thing. Again, I have a lot of respect for them for what they’ve done. I mean, and so there you go.
What’s your what’s your take on Social D?
The one of my all time favorite albums is 1996’s White Light, White Heat, White Trash by Social Distortion. I’ve listened to that album a lot. I had a lot of just because of the social commentary and just a lot of the lyrics are very well done.
And it had a lot of elements of music that I had been into for a long time, but it kind of mixed, you know, a lot of different messages and a lot of different things that were really pertinent in my life at that time.
So I have a a sort of a sweet spot for for that album. I will say that no album of theirs before or after. Kind of does it quite the same for me as far as that specific album, so.
Yeah, if I wasn’t such a an old man and a rock tard, I would be able to remember the names of the songs we played and tell you that my favorite ones that we played, but I can’t remember the names of them.
But there was yeah, there were some songs I really did enjoy playing by them. So, so good. Good for them. But they’ve never made it huge.
I mean, they’ll certainly played.
They had they had their moment, like on MTV in like from 94 to about 96. But then
also that’s around
the time that MTV started getting reality TV heavy. So a lot of the bands that they were, you
know, kind of shining a
spotlight on, unfortunately, much, much like a lot of the bands that, you know, a lot of people will say, oh, well, grunge killed, you know, the hair metal or glam metal or whatever. Well, actually, you know, a lot of music in general was killed at the same time because, you know, the biggest proponent all of a sudden
decided that seeing degenerates on TV, you
know, in an
apartment together was, you know, brought in more ratings and more commercial money than. You know, playing the same videos by the same 10 degenerate rock stars every day, so. It was much like what we talked about last week when it came to Tommy Lee and a lot of Motley Crue’s antics.
What sold a lot of these bands was the mystique and the legend and all that. And why why wait for that mystique or that legend to play out when you can have it? Twenty four hours a day. We could watch, you know, the Real World or we could watch, you know, Jersey Shore or whatever else they were
, you know, trying to to peddle. So. You know, and. It’s funny because that’s kind of evolved into what we see on social media with a lot of stuff, you know, a lot of people will say, well, there isn’t that mystique anymore.
Right. But that started
in in the 90s when people want you know, when people went on this reality TV craze, if people weren’t tuning in for a lot of this crap, then it wouldn’t be popular. So.
I hear you. I hear you. OK, so let’s let’s let’s kill a few more sacred cows here. OK. I’ll go way back when when I was a freshman in high school and these guys that were I ran cross-country, I know hard to believe that it’s true.
But a couple of guys on there were huge music fans, and they would loan me albums of things I hadn’t heard. And that’s how I actually got the first Kiss album.
Yeah. Bryan Stevenson, he had the first Kiss album. He was he was actually like the best runner on the team do. And he also gave me at the same time, he gave me the first Kiss album. He gave me Aerosmith Toys in the Attic.
And I listen to both of those. And I think I brought that Aerosmith album back the next day. And so now you can have this one back. But the Kiss one I’m going to keep for a while.
And I and I don’t know
what it was about Aerosmith. It just didn’t click for me because I do like a lot of songs on that album now.
But I just I listened to it and I just like. I don’t know, it’s it just isn’t doing it for me.
I’ve never seen them live, so I can’t comment on that.
Have you ever seen them?
I have not seen them live, but I’m I’m kind of in the same boat. I like Aerosmith, but I’m not a huge fan. You know, I like songs here and there by them and usually songs that haven’t been on the radio like 80 million times.
you know, there’s there’s definitely songs like, for example, I think a month or two ago there was the 30th anniversary of the album Pump coming out, and my favorite songs off of Pump are, the first two Young Lust and F.i.n.e.
I love those songs. And those were never radio hits,
start to hear the first few notes out of the radio hits off of that that just got played to death. And it’s like, no, I can’t I can’t do it. You know, they’re a band that. To me, I get that every band has its fans or whatnot, and they so they’ve sold a lot more albums than Kiss
has. But I don’t know why, because I would take Kiss
in any format before I would take Aerosmith personally.
And yeah, here’s another thing about Aerosmith. And again, not a knock against anybody, but I guess it is Joe Perry. OK, I wish we had like Mark, here’s the guitar player that could comment on this. I don’t understand what it is.
I mean, as I listen to his solos and stuff, it’s like his leads. None of them are memorable. None of them are like, wow, that was really you know, that was really cool. And I’ve seen him, you know, I’ve seen live video of him playing
and I’m still
just like, OK, you know, looking cool is one thing he’s
got that, you know, 10
out of 10. But I have yet to hear him play anything that I was like now that that was awesome.
What am I missing here? I don’t know. I don’t know if anybody can help me out. If you can point me to an Aerosmith song that wasn’t Brad.
Jose’s Bringing Up Armageddon and the Don’t Want to Miss a Thing song, which I absolutely detest. And that was oh, my God.
That was that was Joe Perry’s greatest solo.
My my ex-wife
was. Oh, I love Aerosmith.
Oh, yeah. Well, what song do you like? I like the song off the Armageddon soundtrack. I’m like that piece of dog shit. That’s like the one that you and I was like, all right. Makes sense.
Is that when
you knew the marriage was over?
No, unfortunately, no. I should have. That could have been an early warning sign.
Yeah, there you go. Red flag.
And again, they’ve got songs that I like. But I mean, I hear you, you know, I think it’s. Kind of more of that combustible element, you know, well, are we going to see, you know, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry come to blows or are we going to see, you know, this fall apart?
You know one of those things as opposed to, oh, my God, you know, listen to this solo where if you think about. You know, the comparisons that they made to Guns and Roses, for example. Do you listen to Slash and their solos that Slash has played where there’s their memorable, where you can whistle to them, where
they get stuck in your head and and you’re like, all right, I understand why this this song is popular, you know, but it’s it’s almost as if, you know, it’s almost like and I don’t get this. I know that Leo from Alaska took umbrage with me saying that I wasn’t a Hendrix fan.
You know, I like Hendrix, but I but I won’t you know, that isn’t something that. You know, you know, I have my Hendrix playlist and I appreciate what he did as a pioneer. But. If I want to hear a guitarist, he isn’t like within my top 50 guitars
that I’ll go to.
You know, that’s just my opinion doesn’t mean that that should turn anyone else off. And I remember his comment was, well, I can’t trust anyone’s opinion. Who doesn’t like Jimi Hendrix?
And I was like, no.
All right, whatever. All of a sudden we’re becoming music nazis’ where you know. Well, if you don’t like what I liked, then you don’t like music.
back to pizza here. OK, if you tell me you like anchovies on a pizza,
I respect that. OK, because you like it. OK.
But again, if you’re like, I don’t care, then, then. Yeah, whatever. And I don’t know how Jimi didn’t make my list. But again, it’s blasphemy that I feel exactly the same way you feel about it, Jimi. I mean, I like some of the stuff and I have mad respect for what he did, but I don’t listen to
his playing and go, oh, man, hey, how did you know that solo is just like. Yeah. Sorry, I yeah, it escapes me, I. Yeah, so anyway, I’m glad we found common ground with
on the on the Aerosmith stuff.
So that makes me happy.
But during that time period, you know, I can think of players like Jimmy Page who immediately draws me to his playing. Tony, I
Iommi you know, later on
Ace Frehley, later on, you know,
Young, you know, there are other players, different styles that just have always spoken to me more than Hendrix did. And I again, I appreciate what he did in influencing all of these players. But I think other players kind of took what
he did and took it to
another place. You know, it’s kind of you know, I always see a lot of
people always say,
well, you know, Black Sabbath were the godfathers of heavy metal. And I’ve always said a lot of people, but they hate that term.
So if they
hate that and they consider themselves a hard rock band. Are they really the, you
know, the first
guys to do heavy metal, but then you hear, you know, interviews from Judas Priest, the
proudly, you know, kind of fly that flag.
And I’ll say, you know, to me, Priest is the first band to actually like remove that heavy blues influence that Sabbath had kind of put gasoline on on the whole thing and kind of like supercharge the riffs. And I to me, honestly, sure, there were a lot of different elements that led to metal.
But I think Judas
Priest is probably the first band that put out a pure metal album, in my opinion.
Yeah, I think that’s a valid opinion. I mean, back then in the 70s, it was
you know, I was striving
and I was looking for anything that was really hard rock. Right. And and there just wasn’t really that many bands back then that were really doing it. And, of course, the Judas Priest. Yeah, I don’t want to go down that road.
That’s a whole nother topic, but yeah, yeah, you’re right. And if CEO Dave is still listening, he’s going to he’s going to probably disagree with you that there the the fathers of modern or any metal, for that matter.
But he’ll also throw down that they’re the the best band that’s ever been on this planet. I do have to see I do have to say this about Tony Iommi while we were talking about guitar players, that his solos really are awesome.
I mean, he is I mean, there’s so many of those songs. I can sing the solos, too, even if he’s like playing three different solos at the same time. You know, it’s like, yeah, we’re going to play that live.
You got to be close to that.
You can’t just you can’t
just go off and play whatever. That’s why I have a hard time playing Black Sabbath songs with people that aren’t real fans, you know, in in the band, the guitar player.
It’s like it’s like
what you’re doing to this song is you’re it’s it’s like peeing on the grave, man. You can’t do that. You just you got to play the song. And that includes the lead or at least some facsimile of it.
Well, that’s that’s why I love, you know, Bill Ward for what he did back then. To me, Bill was a huge influence and on my playing, just because he took a lot of like the ideology and I mentioned this last week that a lot of guitar players had where, you know, with the with the leads and the
and stuff, Bill was
doing all types of percussive stuff in the background. And he was adding, you know, like the intro to Children of the Grave. There’s, you know, the the part with the toms that is kind of like a lead drum part almost in the beginning of that song, which Lars Ulrich kind of copies on the last album with the song
Until We’re Dead. It’s kind of the same similar type of like rhythmic pattern at the beginning of that song. So, I mean, with with everything that I just said about Sabbath, to me, there’s no doubt that they’re if they’re not.
They’re easily top five most influential rock band of all time, I mean Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin and Sabbath, and maybe you could argue Pink Floyd and maybe you could argue a Deep Purple, but without those cornerstone bands, you wouldn’t get that next.
You know, you wouldn’t get Kiss, you wouldn’t get Judas Priest, you wouldn’t get Iron Maiden, you wouldn’t get, you know, everything. I think they’re you know, the question was asked last week, is Tommy Lee one of the greatest drummers of all time?
I think Tommy Lee was one of the greatest drummers of that era. He was definitely influential and help, you know, push things along. And I think all these bands that I’m mentioning,
you know, there’s there’s
a block of time where there were a series of albums
that were a series of pictures
where, you know, certain bands built the foundation. Then other bands came along and built the first floor. Other bands built the next few floors. You know, we I like to think that we haven’t gotten to the penthouse yet.
And I want to believe that there are other bands that are continuing to build, you know, levels on this on this building, you know, and sure, they’re taking the work that came before them. Like any architect would would, you know, look at what the Romans did and look at what the Greeks did and look at what great
architects through time have done and take some of that and prove it and continue to build. And to me. You know, for that point in time, those players were hugely important, they’re still important today because, you know, we talk about how many things, you know, that we’ve talked about over the time that you’ve been on the show
. You know, you’ve asked me about Fu Manchu, which is a straight up stoner band, no Sabbath, no early Kiss, no Fu Manchu, in my opinion. So, yeah, you’re right.
And I do like them, by the way. So thanks for your suggestions on that, which was which was the perfect time to kind of, you know, pimp out. You’re what you’re doing. If anybody’s listening to this and you’re not a member of Victor’s Patreon and you’re somebody who’s like wondering, hey, where can I find new music?
That’s really good. Well, yeah, join Victor’s Patreon. You get those videos every day and you don’t have to watch them all. But, you know, there’s a lot of cool stuff in there and there’s a lot of clams, too, in my opinion.
But, you know, but that’s that’s the whole purpose of it. It’s like throwing it out there. It’s like, hey, if you hear something you like, let’s let’s you know, let’s talk about it. Let’s hear about it. Because there are a lot of people, in spite of the whole rock is dead thing, rock is not dead.
Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to put out I don’t know how many videos a day.
Sometimes it feels like 10, 10 or 20,
but I know it’s supposed to be two.
But I mean, these
are all I mean, so many of these are bands I’d never even heard of before. And a lot of I mean, a lot of them pretty much are rock. I mean, that’s what it is. It’s rock. I mean, guitars everywhere in.
And there’s a lot of people playing a lot of music. I just think the problem is here in the United States, people got blinders on when it comes to music.
Yeah. And I also think, you know, not as you’re saying, not everything that I post like, but, you know, that doesn’t mean that there aren’t other people that may like that same stuff.
That’s the whole purpose, you
know, because I love turning people on to new music. You know, hearing Jeremy Weltman, for example, say, hey, you know, I bought 10 albums thanks to bands that I’ve discovered on on your Patreon, on our people telling me, hey, you know, I’ve added so-and-so to my playlist because, you know, I heard them there.
And yeah, not every not every I don’t like everything. Other people don’t like, you know, everything that I like. There are certain bands that I post that I love and I know that other people are giving like I’m not into the vocals or I’m not into this or I’m not into that.
But that’s cool. That’s fine. I posted a new Jerry Cantrell song that was released yesterday, and
it. But for the most part, people were saying it was kind of boring or just didn’t do it for them. And that’s cool. You know, that’s if we agreed on everything again, everything would just be terrestrial radio.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Grandpa used to say, if we all like the same thing, everybody be after your grandma.
There you go. Yeah.
I don’t know if I said that before on here, but it’s worth repeating. So so, yeah. So anybody listening, you should seriously think about ponying up two bucks a month. To joint Victor’s Patreon. And you know, if you’re really so cheap that two bucks a month is too much for you.
Well, listen, a Yarg Metal, it’s free. OK. And if you have a problem with free, then what the hell’s wrong with you? Right. And don’t just listen to one song. I get I get that, too. Somebody will tune in and say ooh I didn’t like that song, so I shut it off as like, well, you dumb
ass, you got to listen to like an hour. I mean, if you don’t like this song, you might like the next one. I purposefully try to kind of mix it up to where, you know, you don’t get a whole block of little about, you know.
And, you know, so it’s it’s a mix of things and where it’s like, well, if you like that song, maybe like the next one. If you don’t like this one, you’ll like the next one. But listen for a whole frickin hour before you tell me you don’t like it, OK?
At least give me that much. And if you don’t like it, hey, I’m cool with that. I agree to disagree. And you like something on your pizza that I don’t like. And I’m cool with that because you like something.
There you go. And I will say
that as of today,
we do have a new patron and I was actually able to include him in the ending video.
It is Johan
up in Sweden who has been on Mark’s Patreon for a long time.
Un amigo mio
Yeah. Is he’s decided to jump on board, which is great, because I’ve talked to Johan, you know, from time to time through Facebook.
And it was funny we both missed out on was either the Holy Diver. Yeah. Was the Holy Diver discussion. And he sent me a message saying, where are we supposed to talk now? I said, no, I screwed the time up.
We were supposed to talk two hours ago. So he called me up. You know, that Saturday night. And we ended up talking
for for like
two hours on the phone about music. And and it was funny. My wife was like, who’s who’s calling you at this time? I said, don’t worry. It’s just Johan in Sweden. It’s no, no, no females involved. Don’t worry.
Yeah, it wouldn’t it wouldn’t hurt to get a female on on Pateon on though. I mean, come on, girls. There’s got to be. I know there’s a lot I see a lot of girls at these shows,
I mean, there’s I don’t know, maybe it’s just it’s not cool to sit around and listen to a bunch of old white, fat, bald guys talk about Rock for, but hey, check this out, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re not we’re well, maybe a little overweight, but.
Yeah. By the way, the shirt, if you guys when you guys get to the ten dollar level and you get the shirt order a
because it does shrink a little bit. Nice shirt though. Really, really, really nice.
So. OK, what
did you get an extra large.
I got a 2x just because.
not the it’s not that I’m really fat or anything, but it’s just you know,
shirts, though, you know. Well, this is my biggest problem between the states and here is that. In order for me to get the equivalent of an XL here,
I need to get a at
least a double, if not a triple extra large. And who knows, maybe
just the way that those shirts
are cut, maybe they’re just a little tight, so.
No, it’s this is perfect. So to me, perfect is very comfortable. It’s a very nice shirt. Even even if you don’t want to join the Patreon you want to really cool the concert to wear to the next concert, wherever.
That’s you know what, whoever that is. Hey, pony up the dough. You can get it.
And let’s see, Mars Attacks
That is correct. In the merch section, they are twenty two ninety five, if I’m not mistaken. Plus shipping. And the company that I order from, which is called Zazzle, they have like all now they’re running all types of specials.
So that shirt, I think, although it was twenty two, it ended up being like 14 without the shipping. So they’re they’re.
So so what you’re saying is I probably shouldn’t have cut my ten dollars back to two after you got after I got the shirt.
Well, it is what it is in the long run it will workout.
I would never do that. I’ll tell you right now, the money I’m spending with you and Mark supporting you guys is money well spent. I but I really love I really love what you’re doing because it’s more of a tight community.
And, you know, if it blows up, it blows up. I’m willing to live with that. But everybody here is cool. You know, everybody I see in the chat, I kind of miss Jeremy, though. I hope he’s OK. I hope he’s doing something fun.
And that’s why he’s not here. Maybe sleeping, I don’t know. But everybody that I everybody that I’ve known that’s on the ever been in here in the chat room, and that has been a plus cool person. So, yeah, I mean, who else can say that?
Who else on the Internet can say 100 percent of the people here
are cool people.
Yeah, we’ve been lucky that we’ve really had no trolls or anything, that everyone is here kind of for the same reason just to hang out.
music. And even if we don’t agree on things. You know, I think for everyone is respectful
with one another. So.
Totally. Totally. I mean, it’s all it’s all about love and music. Absolutely.
Do you have anything else there
on your list? Oh, hell, yeah.
But I mean, we gave we’re going to to an hour and a half almost here.
Yeah, we’ve got like we’ve got like
five minutes to go, so
I’m going to do a
lightning round. OK.
OK, and you already mentioned you already mentioned this band, and I’m not going to argue that they’re not influential, but for some reason, they’re it’s it doesn’t it doesn’t flip. My switch is the same way. And that’s Pink Floyd.
I certainly do love Dark Side of the Moon only because CEO Dave had that album back in the day and kind of fell in love with listening to that. I learned back then I was a piano player and I learned a lot of the piano off that album that
But I do I think that’s just an incredible piece of art, that album. But after that, the song or the albums and here’s what really killed me. OK, and CEO David, you’re still there. You know what I’m talking about?
The night we stayed up all night long with these guys. These guys are party animals. We went water skiing and we got in the boat and we’re like, yeah, and we’re ready to go water skiing. And all they
had was Pink Floyd tapes, cassettes,
and they’re popping them in. And within about 30
music, we’re all kind of just sitting there staring at each other like I mean, it took they took the party right out of the boat. I’m just saying I’m not saying that the music was bad or anything, but it just it was not.
Yeah, it wasn’t getting the job done. And until one of the guys got sick and vomited over the side of the boat and he’d been eating pork and beans, and so there’s these beans floating on the water and then fish would come up and eat the beans that kind of got things going again.
It’s like, yeah,
now the verde’s going again.
Oh, shit. Yeah. So I was I haven’t
I haven’t even told a poop story. So there you go.
If you know Brad, you know that Brad brings the stories for me. All right. If if we want to talk about Floyd, I’m good with Animals, with Wish You Were Here with Dark Side Of The Moon or with The Wall.
Nothing else really interests me besides those albums.
Okay, fair enough. I actually like some of the newer songs. Just a couple of songs here and there. I just again, it’s not that I don’t that I despise the band or anything. It’s just it doesn’t
like you got to be in the mood.
They don’t they don’t get me excited. OK, you
want to go waterskiing? You want to go water skiing. And you wanted to hear Van Halen.
Hell, yes. I wanted to hear Van Halen. But guess what? They didn’t exist then. Oh, no, they did. Okay. But these guys, nobody brought that.
All we got Is Pink
Floyd. Well, this album so cool, though. Yeah, it’s cool if you’re like stoned, but we’re not OK. Another band that was introduced to me in the 70s, about the same time as the Aerosmith and all that was Queen.
And I remember now it was the very first time I saw Kiss, OK? We couldn’t get tickets in L.A. because they sold out instantly. So I bought tickets in San Diego. And thanks to CEO Dave and his buddies because I was 15, of course, I can’t drive at 15.
They took me of course I bought the tickets. So what are they going to do? So we had
two cars and
the one guy in our car was like, oh, we just bought this Queen thing. That’s the best thing ever. And I think it was Queen two something like that. And he put that on. And I was just like, OK, this is really not rockin me.
I appreciate it now more than I
did then, because I’ve played a lot of Queen songs. But still, it’s just know I’ve tried, I’ve tried. I’ve watched so many concerts of theirs, you know, because they’ve shot so many of them. And Freddie Mercury, I mean, yeah, he’s a great singer and everything.
But I can’t
watch that guy. I just can’t I can’t watch him. And it’s just like. But I do have to say this man, I have so much mad respect for John Deacon and his bass playing holy crap, that guy, unbelievable.
I mean, bass parts and melodic and just and the whole band is really, really good.
And, you know, but again,
their music, I can’t sit there and listen to a whole lot of Queen. Sorry. Can’t do it.
And Queen. At certain points in my life was one of the bands that I listened to probably the most. The huge Queen fan for a very long time. I got really burnt out on them. And really, I would say Queen II is kind of a boring album.
Yeah. For me, News For The World, The Game, Jazz, The Works, The Miracle. A Kind Of Magic especially and Innuendo. I love those albums. I really love A Kind Of Magic and Innuendo, which are, you know, to me that they’re their last album
and their second
to last album. After that, everything they’ve done after Freddie has died.
To me has been absolute
shit, including the the movie that they did. So, again, revisionist history. And just I get it. They’re trying to sell their music to younger kids. And it’s worked because they were the second biggest rock act last year in the world from, you know, a money standpoint.
But. I just don’t like what they’ve done. I don’t like what Brian May and Roger Taylor have done with with that name, so I don’t know. Anyway, lightning round. So what was that? Was that was it? I think
that’s. How was it? Oh, OK. I know there’s probably some other bands that I just. But that’s
that’s the quick and dirty
list of bands that are really big. And I just had a hard time. I still have a hard time, just like being like, whew. Well, it’s big money to go see these guys.
If if we’re going that
way, if we’re going that
route, I mean, I could throw out the Eagles. Well, I’ve never really been a fan of.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK, so Shelly. Because we had to deal with the music around the pool being or what you might call it, you know, that stupid service that will play music and then commercials every so often. But she has her playlist on there.
Classic classic rock, in fact. Well, it’s
Yeah. No, not Spotify. It’s the free one. It’s
Pandora. Thank you, God, My brain’s so tired. Yeah. Pandora. So she throws on Pandora and you know, it starts with Eddie Money because she’s a huge Eddie Money fan, which I’m a huge fan of Eddie as well.
Because he rocks. OK, but. It starts off with that, but I guarantee you, the second song that’s going to come on is going to be the Eagles. And nine times out of 10, I feel like it’s Hotel California.
And I’ve heard that song more times than I can count. OK. It’s just enough. Already enough. And I agree. It’s a great it’s a great piece of rock history and all that kind of stuff. But I’ve had it OK.
But the last couple of days out of the pool, the eagle songs they’ve been calling from have been kind of more minor hits, I guess.
And I’m like, yeah, you
know, the song’s all right. But the lyrics
are just the lyrics
are stupid. It’s like really, really stupid. I can’t even remember what the what that last one. Oh, yeah. Just I was like, what is he really saying here?
I’ve got two stories for you here. You brought up Eddie Money.
Jose’s sister is in an Eddie Money video.
Get out? Shakin?
No, I Want To Go Back. The is the song that Ace Frehley just covered on one of his last few albums. I Want To Go Back. We shot the video was shot
in in the old
high school in Dover, New Jersey. And the high school juniors and
seniors, when that video
was shot, were taken down to be extras for that video. So she can be seen for like half a second dancing in that video. The Eagles, the first time I was ever in France.
That’s a great way to start off a story of any story.
We we crossed the border and we’re like, you know, oh, let’s see what music, you know, is popular here. We flip the the station on.
Eagles Hotel, California, OK. Finishes and some other you know, there, whatever the deejay comes on is speaking French, we’re like, all right, well, let’s skip to another let’s just keep it on music. Let’s skip over to another station.
Oh, wow. Next station. Hey, they’re playing Hotel
California this pattern
You can check out, but you can never leave.
There you go. I kid you not. We spend. Like three hours, just skipping stations, and the only thing that was coming up was Hotel California.
Yeah, it’s it’s yeah, it’s too much. I think the only Eagles song I’ve ever played with a band was Desperado. And if I remember right, there wasn’t any real bass in it. So I kind of I don’t know what I did.
I’d kind of walk around the
stage pretending like
I, I don’t know. I was probably mocking the song.
Yeah, I think that song
is only Don Henley and
keyboards, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. OK, another band that’s huge that I never cared for Fleetwood Mac.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I’m with you there. Which there again, I don’t know. They tell the story about where my band warmed up for Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks. It was kind of there on the outs with the the with what’s his name?
The guitar player
And yes, it was an
outdoor festival at the fairgrounds in Salt Lake City, Utah State Fairgrounds. And it was a big thing and it was a big thing for our band to play this. And we’re doing all original songs, which is way cool because it was a concert and we went over really well, which was cool.
So we finished playing and we go backstage and, you know, they got like a little trailer for us. And and and but and Mick Fleetwood shows up and he comes in and he couldn’t have been nicer. The coolest guy wanted to meet us, wanted to say hi to us and kind of sit down and talk for a
while. Then all of a sudden this guy comes and he’s like, OK, everybody has to leave. Like, what do you mean we have to leave? So, yup,
you have to leave. Why? Well, because you know.
She’s here and everybody has to leave. Nobody, you know, nobody else can be backstage, and I was like, that’s just the most like ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Right. You know, it’s like like, what are we going to do?
OK. Yeah. So so there you go. That’s my Fleetwood Mac story. But yeah, the songs.
Yeah, I just. And unfortunately, there’s, again, similar to your water skiing story. Where? It just didn’t, you know, never did it for me, and they were always
on the radio.
But. Did Brad, did you freeze on me? Am I the only one not seeing Brad here, am I the one that’s frozen? OK. Looks like Brad checked out. Let’s see if we can get him back on to kind of wrap things up here.
But in the meantime, do want to thank everyone that has joined us in the chat. We got to see CEO Dave for the first time. We got to see Hosey. We got to see Steve Hoeker in various forms and we got to see Rob Rowe as well.
I want to thank you guys for. Again, I always say this for spending your Fridays here. There’s obviously a lot of choices and things that
that you could be doing instead.
But you decide to spend your time with me and also want to thank people that are going to be listening to the replay of this, whether you check it out on YouTube or any other video platform or whether you hear the audio and you’re subscribed to it.
I want to thank you guys for again subscribing and listening and. Oh, looks like we got Brad back.
Fleetwood Mac Killed the livestream.
No Stevie Nicks,
Killed the livestream.
See, she came in and she acts that just like you guys in the backstage.
Yeah, she kicked us out. It’s a. Yeah, she kicked me to backstage. Yeah. Stop dragging my live stream around.
There you go.
So we’ve well, we’ve gone way over.
Well, I can I can list a ton of bands that I wasn’t into before, but after moving overseas and not hearing them like 80 times a day. Actually made me appreciate them more and made me dig deeper into their catalog so
maybe we can talk about the next time, I think that was my other suggestion is bands that we really didn’t, you know, maybe late to the party or or something, you know, flipped the switch for us. So I got a whole list of that.
All right, cool.
I’ve got my list. I’ve got my work to do as well. I’ve got, you know, things that
I got to get ready for. Brad here.
Five Motorhead songs.
Five Motorhead songs. Mastodon.
Yep. Five Mastodon. All M songs. OK. No. Metallica, though. If they gave us a shout out, I’d start playing them. Uh, let’s see, I’ve got you know, I don’t need Social Distortion songs. I’ve I’ve got like a whole lot of other songs that I learned at one time.
No, that’s good. Let’s start with that. Oh, there is one other. But we need a Jeremey for this Magnum. I wanted him to throw me five Magnum songs that he thinks we should play.
See, we need to. This is one thing that I wish I could get Richie from Focus On Metal on who’s originally from Ireland. And he’s fabulous, you know, with his storytelling and he’s interviewed a ton of acts over the years.
Would be cool to have both Jeremy and Richie on at the same time to give us, you know, the the European, British and, you know, so on, so forth. Angle on things with how they came across bands. And, you know, the last time I had
Ritchie on was for St.
Patrick’s Day. And we did
five Irish bands
that you should
know that aren’t Thin Lizzy.
So, you know, I love doing all that stuff like, you know. Yeah, that’s Magnum songs first, you know, bands
that were big over there that
never made it in the States, so. Yeah.
So there you go. Awesome.
Victor, thanks for having me.
Thank you for for coming on. It is always a pleasure. People always ask when’s Brad coming back. So Brad will be back again sometime in the future. This is like the end of a movie. Brad will
And you know
the son of Brad.
Yeah, the son of Yarg
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah. So yeah, we should get my kid on here. And it’s he’s got an interesting perspective on music, so.
But anyway, that’s a
that’ll be another story. Cool Man
Everybody’s the best man. Keep talking.
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